1889-O VAM-16

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1889-O VAM-16 Far Date, High O

Discovered by Martin Field, September 1980.
16 III2 8 - C3f (Far Date, High O) (181) I-2 R-3
Obverse III2 8 - Date set further right than normal. Die chips between loops of first 8 left and right may be present.
Reverse C3f - III O mint mark set upright and high.

1. There are two recognized die pairs for this VAM. The far dates differ in precise position and the mintmarks are different and in different positions. The second pair's date is further and develops a denticle cud in later stages below the neck point and 18. The first pair has a much higher mint mark with a slot center and is often confused with an oval O. The late stage of the second pair reverse develops a notable crack through the mint mark too. Both obverses apparently have unlisted doubled ears, with the doubling on the right inside.


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The date is far with a high open 9.
Leroy calls this the same obverse, but is clearly a different one. The first is arguably not really far too. The second one has a chip on the right side of the first 8.
This second die also has a nice cud in the denticles by the date, which is not listable.
Despite sending twice with different coins, Leroy would also not list the doubled ear, right inside.

Same type of doubling on the second (cud) obverse too.
The first coin has a high mint mark that deceives cherrypickers into thinking it might be an oval O, because of the center slot
However, one can clearly see that the vertical and horizontal extents are about the same, making it circular (round), not oval.
The second coin does not have a mint mark that could be mistaken for an oval one and is not especially high. Leroy still calls this one VAM-16. AT least the last stage (with the cud on the obverse) has a prominent crack through the mint mark.
This coin achieves a nice rim cud in its late die state. Please note that the shadow effect below the 1 is from die sliding and is not doubling. It also appears to resemble the popular 1889-O VAM-6, but this is a coincidence.
1889-O VAM-16 rim cud.jpg