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=1889-P VAM-23B High 9, Die Chips Stars & Neck=  
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=1889-P VAM-23B Slanted Date, Worn Polished Obverse Die =  
 
Discovered as VAM 7A by Brent Fogelberg, May 2000. Redesignated VAM 23B, 2020.<br />
 
Discovered as VAM 7A by Brent Fogelberg, May 2000. Redesignated VAM 23B, 2020.<br />
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Revised November 2020. <br />
 
'''23B'''(revised) '''III2 21 · C3a (Slanted Date, Worn Polished Obverse Die) (190) I-2 R-5'''<br />
 
'''23B'''(revised) '''III2 21 · C3a (Slanted Date, Worn Polished Obverse Die) (190) I-2 R-5'''<br />
'''Obverse III2 21 –''' Heavy die polishing removing die clash marks at neck, lower right hair vee, lips and cap back at ribbon and some roughness in fields.  Roughness quickly reappears and new light die clash diagonal line appears at jaw-neck junction with die chip at neck point. Die retired shortly thereafter. Same die marker as VAM 23.<br />
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'''Obverse III2 21 –''' Heavy die polishing removing die clash marks at neck, lower right hair vee, lips, cap back at ribbon and some roughness in fields.  Roughness quickly reappears and new light die clash single  and later two diagonal lines appears at jaw-neck junction with die chip still later at neck point. Die retired shortly thereafter. <br />
'''Reverse C3a –''' Die not changed since no die clash marks appeared, except for very faint vertical line at n of In. Die fields relatively smooth with little wear.  Die then re-used with VAM 7 III2 7 obverse. ''Die marker'' - Same die marker as VAM 23.<br />
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''Die martker'' - Diagonal die polishing lines in ER of LIBERTY. <br />
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'''Reverse C3a –''' Die not changed since no die clash marks appeared, except for very faint vertical line at n of In. Die fields relatively smooth with little wear.  Die then re-used with VAM 7 III2 7 obverse. <br />
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''Die marker'' - Fine die polishing lines at wing-neck gap. <br />
  
 
'''Comments:'''<br />
 
'''Comments:'''<br />
 
# Heavy clashed obverse die [of [[1889-P VAM-23A|VAM 23A]]] was severely polished to remove these strong die clash marks resulting in VAM 23B. (LVA 9/2020)
 
# Heavy clashed obverse die [of [[1889-P VAM-23A|VAM 23A]]] was severely polished to remove these strong die clash marks resulting in VAM 23B. (LVA 9/2020)
 
# Reverse die is retained [from VAM 23A] with little wear and is not polished. (LVA 9/2020)
 
# Reverse die is retained [from VAM 23A] with little wear and is not polished. (LVA 9/2020)
 
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# There are three die states. 1. Unclashed. 2. Single clashed. 3. Double clashed.
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# Not mentioned in the official description are the numerous polishing lines in the Eagles neck, top of the breast and left wing. <br />
  
 
'''Threads:'''<br />
 
'''Threads:'''<br />
 
# [http://www.vamworld.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4395 New Take on 1889 VAM 23A]<br />
 
# [http://www.vamworld.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4395 New Take on 1889 VAM 23A]<br />
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# [http://www.vamworld.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4538#p39421 November 2020 Revision]
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= LVA Plate Photos =
 
= LVA Plate Photos =
 
<gallery mode="packed" widths=400px heights=300px style="text-align:left">
 
<gallery mode="packed" widths=400px heights=300px style="text-align:left">
image:89Pv23B_rev_sep_20_plate1.jpeg|
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lva_89v23b-1.jpg
image:89Pv23B_rev_sep_20_plate2,3,4.jpeg|
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1889-P VAM-23B Polished Jaw Neck.jpg
image:89Pv23B_rev_sep_20_plate5.jpeg|
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1889-P VAM-23B Slingle Clash Line.jpg
image:89Pv23B_rev_sep_20_plate6.jpeg|
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1889-P VAM-23B Double Clash Line.jpg
image:89Pv23B_rev_sep_20_plate7.jpeg|
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1889-P VAM-23B Polished ER.jpg
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lva_89v23b-5.jpg
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1889-P VAM-23B LDS Die Chip.jpg
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lva_89v23b-2.jpg
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1889-P VAM-23B Polishing Lines Neck Gap.jpg
 
</gallery>
 
</gallery>
  
 
= Additional Photos =
 
= Additional Photos =
[[image:1889-PV7A-JA-COPYCOMP4.jpg]]<br />
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==Un-Clashed (EDS) of VAM-23B==
[[image:1889-V7A-MITZYDOG-2COMP-LDS.jpg |792px ]]<br />
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Click on each photo to enlarge it, then click the back arrow to return. <br />
= Full Coin Photos =
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<gallery mode="packed" widths=275px heights=275px perrow=4>
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1889-P VAM-23B Unclashed Clash Date 1.jpg|'''Date position & damage to neck.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B UnClashed E P L 1.jpg|'''Roughness under E P L & 7th Left Star.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B UnClashed Left Stars 1.jpg|'''Roughness left stars.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B UnClashed Right Stars 1.jpg|'''Roughness right stars.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B EDS Faint Clashed N 1.jpg|'''Faint clashed N.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B EDS Clashed N Reverse 1.jpg|'''Faint clashed N.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B UnClashed Polishing Line Neck Gap 1.jpg|'''Polishing lines wing neck-gap, Eagles neck and left wing.'''
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</gallery>
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== High Resolution VAM-23B Un-clashed Photos==
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<u>'''Click photos to enlarge it.'''</U> <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/PhPa1889V23BAW082317/aw_090720a.jpg '''Date position & damage to neck.'''] <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/PhPa1889V23BAW082317/aw_090720f.jpg '''Roughness left stars'''] <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/PhPa1889V23BAW082317/aw_090720b.jpg '''Roughness right stars'''] <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/PhPa1889V23BAW082317/aw_090720t.jpg '''Faint Clash N of IN on Reverse'''] <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/PhPa1889V23BAW082317/aw_090720m.jpg '''Polishing lines wing neck-gap, Eagles neck and left wing.'''] <br />
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==Single Clash Die stage 4==
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Click on each photo to enlarge it, then click the back arrow to return. <br />
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<gallery mode="packed" widths=275px heights=275px perrow=4>
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1889-P VAM-23B Single Clash Date 1.jpg|'''Date position & damage to neck.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B Single Clash E P L 1.jpg|'''Roughness under E P L'''
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1889-P VAM-23B Single Clash Lip Clash 1.jpg|'''Lip clash.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B Single Clash Left Stars 1.jpg|'''Roughness left stars.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B Single Clash Right Stars 1.jpg|'''Roughness right stars.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B Single Clash Polishing Line Neck Gap 1.jpg|'''Polishing lines wing neck-gap, Eagles neck and left wing.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B Single Clash Fain Clash N 1.jpg|'''Faint clash to N of IN.'''
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</gallery>
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== High Resolution VAM-23B Single Clashed (Die Stage 4) Photos==
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<u>'''Click photos to enlarge it.'''</U> <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/PhPa1889V23BWR111420/89PV23BDS4SGL_date.jpg '''Date position & damage to neck.'''] <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/PhPa1889V23BWR111420/89PV23BDS4SGL_ls.jpg '''Roughness left stars.'''] <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/PhPa1889V23BWR111420/89PV23BDS4SGL_rs.jpg '''Roughness right stars.'''] <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/PhPa1889V23BWR111420/89PV23BDS4SGL_gap.jpg '''Polishing lines wing neck-gap, Eagles neck and left wing.'''] <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/PhPa1889V23BWR111420/89PV23BDS4SGL_clash.jpg '''Faint clash to N of IN.'''] <br />
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==Double Clash Die stage 4==
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Click on each photo to enlarge it, then click the back arrow to return. <br />
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<gallery mode="packed" widths=275px heights=275px perrow=4>
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1889-P VAM-23B Double Clash Date 1.jpg|'''Date position & damage to neck.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B SDouble Clash E P L 1.jpg|'''Roughness under E P L'''
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1889-P VAM-23B Double Clash Lip Clash 1.jpg|'''Lip clash.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B Double Clash Left Stars 1.jpg|'''Roughness left stars.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B Double Clash Right Stars 1.jpg|'''Roughness right stars.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B Double Clash Polishing Line Neck Gap 1.jpg|'''Polishing lines wing neck-gap, Eagles neck and left wing.'''
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1889-P VAM-23B Double Clash Fain Clash N 1.jpg|'''Faint clash to N of IN.'''
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</gallery>
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== High Resolution VAM-23B Double Clashed (Die Stage 4) Photos==
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<u>'''Click photos to enlarge it.'''</U> <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/PhPa1889V23BWR111420/89PV23BDS4DBL_date.jpg '''Date position & damage to neck.'''] <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/PhPa1889V23BWR111420/89PV23BDS4DBL_ls.jpg '''Roughness left stars.'''] <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/PhPa1889V23BWR111420/89PV23BDS4DBL_rs.jpg '''Roughness right stars.'''] <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/PhPa1889V23BWR111420/89PV23BDS4DBL_gap.jpg '''Polishing lines wing neck-gap, Eagles neck and left wing.'''] <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/PhPa1889V23BWR111420/89PV23BDS4DBL_clash.jpg '''Faint clash to N of IN.'''] <br />
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[http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/Main/PhPa1889V23BWR111420 '''1889-P VAM-23B High Definition Photos'''] <br />
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= Full Coin Photos =
 
Full Coin VAM 23B (EDS) images courtesy of Andrew Wojtowich (andywoj00).  Attributed by John Roberts<br />
 
Full Coin VAM 23B (EDS) images courtesy of Andrew Wojtowich (andywoj00).  Attributed by John Roberts<br />
 
<gallery mode="slideshow">
 
<gallery mode="slideshow">
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89PV23B_AW082317_Rev_LFCP.jpg|Early Die Stage
 
89PV23B_AW082317_Rev_LFCP.jpg|Early Die Stage
 
</gallery>
 
</gallery>
Full Coin VAM 23B photo © Mitch Hill, used with permission. Attributed by Leroy Van Allen as VAM 7A, 2013.<br />
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'''EDS of Single clashing event, attributed by LVA in September of 2020''' <br ?>
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Large Full Single Clashed Coin #2 Photo PacificWR of VAM-23B <br />
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<gallery mode="slideshow">
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1889-P VAM-23D Obverse 2.jpg|'''1889-P VAM-23B MS-64 Obverse'''
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1889-P VAM-23D Reverse 2.jpg|'''1889-P VAM-23B MS-64 Reverse'''
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</gallery>
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LDS Full Double Clashed  Coin VAM 23B photo © Mitch Hill, used with permission. Attributed by Leroy Van Allen as VAM 7A, 2013.<br />
 
<gallery mode="slideshow">
 
<gallery mode="slideshow">
89-P-V7A-OBV-DSC_0146.jpg|Middle Die Stage
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89-P-V7A-OBV-DSC_0146.jpg|LDS
89-P-V7A-REV-DSC_0146.jpg|Middle Die Stage
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89-P-V7A-REV-DSC_0146.jpg|LDS
 
</gallery>
 
</gallery>
  
 
[[1889-P VAM-7A#TOP|Top]]<br />
 
[[1889-P VAM-7A#TOP|Top]]<br />

Latest revision as of 14:53, 17 November 2020

1889-P VAM-23B Slanted Date, Worn Polished Obverse Die

Discovered as VAM 7A by Brent Fogelberg, May 2000. Redesignated VAM 23B, 2020.
Revised November 2020.
23B(revised) III2 21 · C3a (Slanted Date, Worn Polished Obverse Die) (190) I-2 R-5
Obverse III2 21 – Heavy die polishing removing die clash marks at neck, lower right hair vee, lips, cap back at ribbon and some roughness in fields. Roughness quickly reappears and new light die clash single and later two diagonal lines appears at jaw-neck junction with die chip still later at neck point. Die retired shortly thereafter.
Die martker - Diagonal die polishing lines in ER of LIBERTY.

Reverse C3a – Die not changed since no die clash marks appeared, except for very faint vertical line at n of In. Die fields relatively smooth with little wear. Die then re-used with VAM 7 III2 7 obverse.
Die marker - Fine die polishing lines at wing-neck gap.

Comments:

  1. Heavy clashed obverse die [of VAM 23A] was severely polished to remove these strong die clash marks resulting in VAM 23B. (LVA 9/2020)
  2. Reverse die is retained [from VAM 23A] with little wear and is not polished. (LVA 9/2020)
  3. There are three die states. 1. Unclashed. 2. Single clashed. 3. Double clashed.
  4. Not mentioned in the official description are the numerous polishing lines in the Eagles neck, top of the breast and left wing.

Threads:

  1. New Take on 1889 VAM 23A
  2. November 2020 Revision

LVA Plate Photos

Additional Photos

Un-Clashed (EDS) of VAM-23B

Click on each photo to enlarge it, then click the back arrow to return.

High Resolution VAM-23B Un-clashed Photos

Click photos to enlarge it.

Date position & damage to neck.
Roughness left stars
Roughness right stars
Faint Clash N of IN on Reverse
Polishing lines wing neck-gap, Eagles neck and left wing.

Single Clash Die stage 4

Click on each photo to enlarge it, then click the back arrow to return.

High Resolution VAM-23B Single Clashed (Die Stage 4) Photos

Click photos to enlarge it.

Date position & damage to neck.
Roughness left stars.
Roughness right stars.
Polishing lines wing neck-gap, Eagles neck and left wing.
Faint clash to N of IN.

Double Clash Die stage 4

Click on each photo to enlarge it, then click the back arrow to return.

High Resolution VAM-23B Double Clashed (Die Stage 4) Photos

Click photos to enlarge it.

Date position & damage to neck.
Roughness left stars.
Roughness right stars.
Polishing lines wing neck-gap, Eagles neck and left wing.
Faint clash to N of IN.

1889-P VAM-23B High Definition Photos

Full Coin Photos

Full Coin VAM 23B (EDS) images courtesy of Andrew Wojtowich (andywoj00). Attributed by John Roberts

EDS of Single clashing event, attributed by LVA in September of 2020
Large Full Single Clashed Coin #2 Photo PacificWR of VAM-23B

LDS Full Double Clashed Coin VAM 23B photo © Mitch Hill, used with permission. Attributed by Leroy Van Allen as VAM 7A, 2013.

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