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Discovered by Leroy Van Allen, December 1965. Reverse discovered by Charles Wallace, April 1959.<br />
 
Discovered by Leroy Van Allen, December 1965. Reverse discovered by Charles Wallace, April 1959.<br />
 
Revised 2010, Revised 2014 by 4SDAIR EDS Specimen<br />
 
Revised 2010, Revised 2014 by 4SDAIR EDS Specimen<br />
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'''140 (revised) II/I 18 - B2b (Partially Open O) (180, 189) I-2 R-4'''<br />
 
'''140 (revised) II/I 18 - B2b (Partially Open O) (180, 189) I-2 R-4'''<br />
'''Obverse II/I 18 -''' Earliest Die state used with reverse Die 1 before reverse polished die scratches.<br />
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'''Obverse II/I 18 -''' Earliest Die state used with reverse Die 1 before reverse polished die scratches.Latest die state after use with VAM-116 with fine crack from 1-2 left stars to 18.<br />
Latest die state after use with VAM-116 with fine crack from 1-2 left stars to 18.<br />
 
 
'''Reverse B2b -''' Same as B2a, but with hub break fill which leaves open the upper part of o of God.<br />
 
'''Reverse B2b -''' Same as B2a, but with hub break fill which leaves open the upper part of o of God.<br />
 
'''Die 1 -''' Die not over polished. Earlier die state than later use as VAM-140A with die scratches.and also before VAM-140 D2<br />
 
'''Die 1 -''' Die not over polished. Earlier die state than later use as VAM-140A with die scratches.and also before VAM-140 D2<br />
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'''Die 2 -''' Die over polished in area of wing feathers and eagle's right wing missing next to leg<br />
 
'''Die 2 -''' Die over polished in area of wing feathers and eagle's right wing missing next to leg<br />
 
Early die state which was later used with [[1878-P VAM-144|VAM-144]] .<br />
 
Early die state which was later used with [[1878-P VAM-144|VAM-144]] .<br />
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'''Comments:''' [[Progression of Obverse II I 18]]<br />
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'''Comments:''' <br />
'''1-''' '''Vampicker comments:''' The VAM 140 description was revised in correspondence from Leroy Van Allen dated Feb 28, 2010. The two reverse dies previously grouped into this listing were separated into VAMs 140 and 140A when a study of the obverse die's progression revealed the entire VAM 116 marriage progression occurred between the two marriages with B2b reverse dies. VAM 140 is now defined as the latest use of the II/I 18 obverse paired with an earlier use of the exact reverse of [[1878-P VAM-144|VAM-144]] .<br />
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'''1.''' [[Progression of Obverse II I 18]]<br />
Coins previously identified as VAM 140 should be re-examined to confirm the attribution. All examples of VAM 140 Die 2 have a fairly long crack from the inner points of the first two left stars thru the point of the bust and the digits 18 of the date. No example of [[1878-P VAM-140A]] or VAM-140 Die1 will have this crack, as it was the earliest use of this obverse. This crack is also visible on VAM-116C.<br />
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'''2.''' ''' Vampicker comments:''' The VAM 140 description was revised in correspondence from Leroy Van Allen dated Feb 28, 2010. The two reverse dies previously grouped into this listing were separated into VAMs 140 and 140A when a study of the obverse die's progression revealed the entire VAM 116 marriage progression occurred between the two marriages with B2b reverse dies. VAM 140 is now defined as the latest use of the II/I 18 obverse paired with an earlier use of the exact reverse of [[1878-P VAM-144|VAM-144]] . Coins previously identified as VAM 140 should be re-examined to confirm the attribution. All examples of VAM 140 Die 2 have a fairly long crack from the inner points of the first two left stars thru the point of the bust and the digits 18 of the date. No example of [[1878-P VAM-140A]] or VAM-140 Die1 will have this crack, as it was the earliest use of this obverse. This crack is also visible on VAM-116C.<br />
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140 Die 1<br />
 
140 Die 1<br />
'''1-''' Reeds ( )<br />
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'''1.''' Reeds ( )<br />
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140 Die 2<br />
 
140 Die 2<br />
'''1-''' VAM-140 Die 2 Shares the exact reverse as [[1878-P VAM-144|VAM-144]], In addition, the reverse should be either PL or DMPL. The earliest die states of VAM 144, which use the same reverse are 2-sided PL, which would infer a short paring with the II/I 18 obverse.<br />
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'''1.''' VAM-140 Die 2 Shares the exact reverse as [[1878-P VAM-144|VAM-144]], In addition, the reverse should be either PL or DMPL. The earliest die states of VAM 144, which use the same reverse are 2-sided PL, which would infer a short paring with the II/I 18 obverse.<br />
'''2-''' Reeds ( )<br />
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'''2.''' Reeds ( )<br />
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'''Threads:'''<br />
 
'''Threads:'''<br />
'''1-''' 4SDAIRS 2014 Revision Thread http://www.vamworld.com/share/view/66354874<br />
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'''1.''' 4SDAIRS 2014 Revision Thread http://www.vamworld.com/share/view/66354874<br />
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== LVA Plate Photos ==
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= LVA Plate Photos: =
 
Reverse Die 1<br />
 
Reverse Die 1<br />
[[image:gdv140avedsleroy1.jpg |400px]][[image:gdv140avedsleroy2.jpg |400px]]<br />
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[[image:gdv140avedsleroy1.jpg |400px]] [[image:gdv140avedsleroy2.jpg |400px]]<br />
== Additional Photos ==
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= Additional Photos: =
 
Fine crack from 1-2 left stars to 18 is found on VAM-140 D2 and VAM-116C which has different Reverse than the VAM-140 series<br />
 
Fine crack from 1-2 left stars to 18 is found on VAM-140 D2 and VAM-116C which has different Reverse than the VAM-140 series<br />
 
[[image:78_v140_crack_stars.jpg]]<br />
 
[[image:78_v140_crack_stars.jpg]]<br />
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The 'o' in God is open, a defining characteristic of a die from the B2b reverse group.<br />
 
The 'o' in God is open, a defining characteristic of a die from the B2b reverse group.<br />
 
[[image:78_v140_o_god.jpg]]<br />
 
[[image:78_v140_o_god.jpg]]<br />
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The base of the right wing is overpolished. Close examination of fine die scratches reveals this is the exact reverse of VAM 144<br />
 
The base of the right wing is overpolished. Close examination of fine die scratches reveals this is the exact reverse of VAM 144<br />
 
Reverse Die 2.<br />
 
Reverse Die 2.<br />
 
[[image:78_v140_base_rt_wing.jpg]]<br />
 
[[image:78_v140_base_rt_wing.jpg]]<br />
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Notch on 1 of the date. common of the VAM-140 series<br />
 
Notch on 1 of the date. common of the VAM-140 series<br />
 
[[image:1878-P-140-jbc-date.jpg]]<br />
 
[[image:1878-P-140-jbc-date.jpg]]<br />
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PL of PLURIBUS<br />
 
PL of PLURIBUS<br />
[[image:1878-P-140-jbc-P.jpg]][[image:1878-P-140-jbc-L.jpg]]<br />
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[[image:1878-P-140-jbc-P.jpg]] [[image:1878-P-140-jbc-L.jpg]]<br />
[[image:1878-P-140-jbc-eye.jpg]][[image:1878-P-140-jbc-ear.jpg]]<br />
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[[image:1878-P-140-jbc-eye.jpg]] [[image:1878-P-140-jbc-ear.jpg]]<br />
 
Fill in denticles above AT of STATES is found on VAM-140 D2<br />
 
Fill in denticles above AT of STATES is found on VAM-140 D2<br />
 
[[image:1878-P-140-jbc-TAT.jpg |500px]]<br />
 
[[image:1878-P-140-jbc-TAT.jpg |500px]]<br />
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[[image:1878_7TF_VAM_116_Doubled_P.jpg |500px]]<br />
 
[[image:1878_7TF_VAM_116_Doubled_P.jpg |500px]]<br />
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== Full Coin Photos ==
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= Full Coin Photos =
 
Full Coin Copyrighted© VAM-140 Die #1 EDS Images on loan to VAMworld courtesy''' 4SDAIR''' ATTRIBUTED BY '''Leroy Van Allen'''<br />
 
Full Coin Copyrighted© VAM-140 Die #1 EDS Images on loan to VAMworld courtesy''' 4SDAIR''' ATTRIBUTED BY '''Leroy Van Allen'''<br />
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<gallery mode="slideshow">
 
<gallery mode="slideshow">
 
1878-P-gdv2.140afullobv.JPG
 
1878-P-gdv2.140afullobv.JPG
 
1878-P-gdv2.140afullrev.JPG
 
1878-P-gdv2.140afullrev.JPG
 
</gallery>
 
</gallery>
Full Coin Copyrighted© VAM-140 Die #2 LDS Images on loan to VAMworld courtesy '''©'''[[http://www.ha.com/ Heritage Auctions]]ATTRIBUTED BY '''ANACS'''[[image:ANACS_LOGO3.jpg |link=http://www.anacs.com/Default.aspx]]<br />
 
 
Latest die state after use with VAM-116 with fine crack from 1-2 left stars to 18.<br />
 
Latest die state after use with VAM-116 with fine crack from 1-2 left stars to 18.<br />
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<gallery mode="slideshow">
 
<gallery mode="slideshow">
 
1878_RonH_VAM-140_OBV_05022012.jpg
 
1878_RonH_VAM-140_OBV_05022012.jpg
 
1878_RonH_VAM-140_REV_05022012.jpg
 
1878_RonH_VAM-140_REV_05022012.jpg
 
</gallery>
 
</gallery>
NGC does not attribute 140 or 140A.<br />
 
 
PCGS attributes all as V140<br />
 
PCGS attributes all as V140<br />
 
VAM-140 may also contain 140A's.<br />
 
VAM-140 may also contain 140A's.<br />
 
[[1878-P VAM-140#TOP|Top]]<br />
 
[[1878-P VAM-140#TOP|Top]]<br />

Latest revision as of 21:43, 11 December 2018

1878-P VAM-140 Doubled P, Partially Open O

Discovered by Leroy Van Allen, December 1965. Reverse discovered by Charles Wallace, April 1959.
Revised 2010, Revised 2014 by 4SDAIR EDS Specimen
140 (revised) II/I 18 - B2b (Partially Open O) (180, 189) I-2 R-4
Obverse II/I 18 - Earliest Die state used with reverse Die 1 before reverse polished die scratches.Latest die state after use with VAM-116 with fine crack from 1-2 left stars to 18.
Reverse B2b - Same as B2a, but with hub break fill which leaves open the upper part of o of God.
Die 1 - Die not over polished. Earlier die state than later use as VAM-140A with die scratches.and also before VAM-140 D2
Die marker - Polishing line in two denticle spaces opposite UN and one in denticle space opposite left S in STATES as Plated Below
Die 2 - Die over polished in area of wing feathers and eagle's right wing missing next to leg
Early die state which was later used with VAM-144 .

Comments:
1. Progression of Obverse II I 18
2. Vampicker comments: The VAM 140 description was revised in correspondence from Leroy Van Allen dated Feb 28, 2010. The two reverse dies previously grouped into this listing were separated into VAMs 140 and 140A when a study of the obverse die's progression revealed the entire VAM 116 marriage progression occurred between the two marriages with B2b reverse dies. VAM 140 is now defined as the latest use of the II/I 18 obverse paired with an earlier use of the exact reverse of VAM-144 . Coins previously identified as VAM 140 should be re-examined to confirm the attribution. All examples of VAM 140 Die 2 have a fairly long crack from the inner points of the first two left stars thru the point of the bust and the digits 18 of the date. No example of 1878-P VAM-140A or VAM-140 Die1 will have this crack, as it was the earliest use of this obverse. This crack is also visible on VAM-116C.
140 Die 1
1. Reeds ( )
140 Die 2
1. VAM-140 Die 2 Shares the exact reverse as VAM-144, In addition, the reverse should be either PL or DMPL. The earliest die states of VAM 144, which use the same reverse are 2-sided PL, which would infer a short paring with the II/I 18 obverse.
2. Reeds ( )

Threads:
1. 4SDAIRS 2014 Revision Thread http://www.vamworld.com/share/view/66354874

LVA Plate Photos:

Reverse Die 1
Gdv140avedsleroy1.jpg Gdv140avedsleroy2.jpg

Additional Photos:

Fine crack from 1-2 left stars to 18 is found on VAM-140 D2 and VAM-116C which has different Reverse than the VAM-140 series
78 v140 crack stars.jpg
The 'o' in God is open, a defining characteristic of a die from the B2b reverse group.
78 v140 o god.jpg
The base of the right wing is overpolished. Close examination of fine die scratches reveals this is the exact reverse of VAM 144
Reverse Die 2.
78 v140 base rt wing.jpg
Notch on 1 of the date. common of the VAM-140 series
1878-P-140-jbc-date.jpg
PL of PLURIBUS
1878-P-140-jbc-P.jpg 1878-P-140-jbc-L.jpg

1878-P-140-jbc-eye.jpg 1878-P-140-jbc-ear.jpg
Fill in denticles above AT of STATES is found on VAM-140 D2
1878-P-140-jbc-TAT.jpg

1878 7TF VAM 116 Doubled P.jpg

Full Coin Photos

Full Coin Copyrighted© VAM-140 Die #1 EDS Images on loan to VAMworld courtesy 4SDAIR ATTRIBUTED BY Leroy Van Allen

Latest die state after use with VAM-116 with fine crack from 1-2 left stars to 18.

PCGS attributes all as V140
VAM-140 may also contain 140A's.
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