Long-nock confusion.

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Long-nock confusion.

Post by madbirder » Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:03 pm

Just reading about long-nock and short-nock and the definition states that only the 78's have long-nocks. My picture is off a 1879-S. I've included the article photo too. Any ideas?
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Re: Long-nock confusion.

Post by messydesk » Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:04 pm

It's irrelevant for the reverse of 79. The 7TF reverse of 78 has long and short versions, but there are no such variations for other reverse hubs.
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Re: Long-nock confusion.

Post by madbirder » Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:48 pm

messydesk wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:04 pm
It's irrelevant for the reverse of 79. The 7TF reverse of 78 has long and short versions, but there are no such variations for other reverse hubs.
Thanks Messydesk, so am I understanding this right. The 78's are the only ones that have both long and short there are no other years that have short-nocks?

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Re: Long-nock confusion.

Post by messydesk » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:12 pm

madbirder wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:48 pm
Thanks Messydesk, so am I understanding this right. The 78's are the only ones that have both long and short there are no other years that have short-nocks?
Right, and it's only on the 78 7TF Reverse of 78 (parallel arrow feathers, flat eagle's breast) that it comes into play.
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Re: Long-nock confusion.

Post by tbconcrete » Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:06 am

For 1978 VAMs it will be B1 or B2 Reverse. B1 being LN. Guys go nuts collecting 78 dollars. :lol:
There is also A & C Reverse Dies. A lot of happenings in the first year.

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Re: Long-nock confusion.

Post by RogerB » Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:33 am

The "long nock" was made by adding a short segment to the end of the arrow on individual dies. This task was likely given to Assistant Engraver William Key (who also made the IGWT logo). Some additions were perfectly made and others were a little tilted or too narrow.

The lower photo shows an addition that is slightly too narrow to match the original.

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Re: Long-nock confusion.

Post by madbirder » Fri Aug 20, 2021 6:47 pm

Thanks all for the replies.

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Re: Long-nock confusion.

Post by JohnGoldsmith » Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:59 pm

RogerB wrote:
Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:33 am
The "long nock" was made by adding a short segment to the end of the arrow on individual dies. This task was likely given to Assistant Engraver William Key (who also made the IGWT logo). Some additions were perfectly made and others were a little tilted or too narrow.

The lower photo shows an addition that is slightly too narrow to match the original.
The reason this was done, he thought in about 100 years from now a group of idoits will see this. They will drive themself's crazy trying to fiqure out why I did this. He is still laufghing at us to this day.

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Re: Long-nock confusion.

Post by RogerB » Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:02 pm

The manual change was made to get as many new dies into service as possible pending completion of a new reverse hub. The 7/8 dies had a similar purpose.

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