My own 78-S head scratcher I need help with (please)

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Re: My own 78-S head scratcher I need help with (please)

Post by keilg1 » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:18 am

tbconcrete wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:36 pm
This post has pictures. Sure looks like a VAM 112 to me. Nice find.
http://www.vamworld.com/forum/viewtopic ... 112#p42947
Tim, thanks. And thanks to all others (yes, @UNCLE BINGO, you too!).

I think the additional pictures might help in some ways to show I don't have a straight 112, despite the confirmation of the wing scratch as well as the wickedly cool die chips on the eagle! Thanks for that link as I'd failed to see or find it.

Why am I fairly sure the obverse I'm seeing is a 110? As shown before the polish lines in the ear are identical, but I also see a clear hair D with the chip(s) off to the right:
78S1765GRed hair D.jpg
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The 112 page doesn't have a picture of the ear so I can't rule that out, but it has a doubled wheat leaf (not shown but I can get a picture of it if needs be) and it has polish lines under the right cotton boll, which are both lacking on my coin regardless of how I tip the coin and adjust the light source:
78S1765GRed right cotton boll base.jpg
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I didn't see any addtiional parallel lines at the back of the eye (not shown) and the coin lacks the 'couple of lines in the T of LIBERTY' shown on the 112 page (shown in an earlier picture of mine).

I see that both the 110 and the 112 have a crack that runs along the back of Liberty's cap, something seen on my coin, so this doesn't help differentiate the two.

I'm, thus, fairly sure this is a 112 reverse, but I'm unconvinced it's not a 110 obverse. Hoping we can get additional pictures from 110 and 112 owners.

Love to learn if all 112 reverses have the die chips. The first reverse FCP on the web page doesn't appear to show them...

Thanks again for helping - I've doubled your salary from this point forward.

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Re: My own 78-S head scratcher I need help with (please)

Post by vamnuke » Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:27 pm

Maybe a new pairing; double polish lines stand out on my P64 88, which shares obv with 112. Heck, we’re at 116, there’s room for more…

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Re: My own 78-S head scratcher I need help with (please)

Post by keilg1 » Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:03 pm

vamnuke wrote:
Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:27 pm
Maybe a new pairing; double polish lines stand out on my P64 88, which shares obv with 112. Heck, we’re at 116, there’s room for more…
Thanks. Any other subtle PUPs that you might suggest I look for - obv or rev to verify or rule out?

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Re: My own 78-S head scratcher I need help with (please)

Post by lewisr2 » Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:28 pm

photo from V-88.
die chip at end of lower cap that is on both 88 and 112
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78-S V-88 small gouge in cap upper end.JPG
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Re: My own 78-S head scratcher I need help with (please)

Post by keilg1 » Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:14 am

Again, thanks, @lewisr2, @vamnuke, @tbconcrete, @UNCLE BINGO and others.

Prompted to look more at the 88/112 link and additional pictures, I'm even more convinced this is a 110 obverse. Hope the addtitional pictures help you help me decide.

First, from the 110 page I see the matching forehead marker and doubled UN:
78S1765GRed forehead marker.jpg
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78S1765GRed 2x U(NUM).jpg
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78S1765GRed 2x (U)N(UM).jpg
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Next, missing from the 88/112 descriptions (in this post and on the individual pages), I don't see any fine scratches at the back of the eye:
78S1765GRed eye details.jpg
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Nor do I see the small gouge in the hair curve (but do see a different small die scratch or two running across the area, not within the trough):
78S1765GRed no small gouge but different scratch in hair.jpg
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Ran out of ability to post the final picture so I'll add it in a second, but it'll show I don't see the same die chip at the end of lower cap as you kindly showed, @lewisr2.

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Re: My own 78-S head scratcher I need help with (please)

Post by keilg1 » Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:16 am

Final picture:
78S1765GRed hair ribbon area.jpg
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Re: My own 78-S head scratcher I need help with (pl

Post by vamnuke » Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:18 am

Might be a new pairing… :o

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Re: My own 78-S head scratcher I need help with (please)

Post by keilg1 » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:51 pm

Hate to keep beating this but I've also noticed mention of the doubling of the 'top of upper right cotton leaf' on the 110 page. Unsure if I do see it but it did lead me to look at the general area and this is what I saw. Don't know if these are found on the 88/112 obverse.

Apparent 'X' scratch in the leaf:
78S1765GRed cotton leaves.jpg
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Scratch between the cotton bolls:
78S1765GRed cotton bolls.jpg
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Re: My own 78-S head scratcher I need help with (please)

Post by keilg1 » Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:44 am

@vampicker or @messydesk, do either of you have any guidance here? Happy to assign it a known variety if it is - happy to send it in, too, as I have others in the hopper.

Thanks.

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Re: My own 78-S head scratcher I need help with (please)

Post by vampicker » Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:01 pm

This looks like one that needs a trip to me or JB
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Re: My own 78-S head scratcher I need help with (please)

Post by messydesk » Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:45 pm

vampicker wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:01 pm
This looks like one that needs a trip to me or JB
Agree
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