Help on 1882-P Metal in 2

[SilverToken]

Asking for vam assistance on this coin. PUP don't align to the visuals posted for metal in 6. Fields in 8's are clear, polish lines don't match, it is a normal date position. Does have the little bump in the 2....

Thank you for any help in advance

[UNCLE BINGO]

any LFCP ? very curious about the light clash in the neck ...

[UNCLE BINGO]

What is going on in the cotton ? forget about what i said in the other thread about the clashing .still looking

[impairedsquirrel]

Gonna go ahead and be bluntly honest here, I'm having a hard time finding a 6 in any pictures of your 1882...
As for the stuff in the 2? I have a desire to suggest you PIWAS, but also believe that "filled" 2's are fairly common happeniings.

[SilverToken]

LOL! My brain was on 6's, it is a 2...

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[UNCLE BINGO]

I probably will get this wrong , did you look at 1D3 pretty close ? any way to get a picture of the B in liberty blown up , what ever I asked you in the other forum was about the one I looked at yesterday and not this one . its hard for me to use the pages with coins in different states of circulated wear ..

[UNCLE BINGO]

And ya I know i keep repeating myself , its not senility, it's cause i keep getting trapped in a loop in the VW pages . something on that page written in 2013 keeps saying something about keeping an eye out for a different marriage in the dies in this series ..
@impairedsquirrel I tried to look up your acronym and got something about a protein study on google , you will have to forgive me for not being up to speed with all the abbreviations..

[impairedsquirrel]

And ya I know i keep repeating myself , its not senility, it's cause i keep getting trapped in a loop in the VW pages . something on that page written in 2013 keeps saying something about keeping an eye out for a different marriage in the dies in this series ..
@impairedsquirrel I tried to look up your acronym and got something about a protein study on google , you will have to forgive me for not being up to speed with all the abbreviations..

Sorry, I think you can find it in VAMworld's dictionary section...
Poke It With A Stick
In other words it might just be gunk, but more likely that it is just a filled 2.

[UNCLE BINGO]

that is so much better than this....Protein-Based Immunome Wide Association Studies

[SilverToken]

I probably will get this wrong , did you look at 1D3 pretty close ? any way to get a picture of the B in liberty blown up , what ever I asked you in the other forum was about the one I looked at yesterday and not this one . its hard for me to use the pages with coins in different states of circulated wear ..

It does not have the rough interior 8 or the Die gouge on the B

[UNCLE BINGO]

k ,, sorry I didn't help your cause very much . good luck .

[keilg1]

Nice mystery. I'd suggest looking very closely and carefully at the date digits - any doubling at all on any of them?

Most of the 82-Ps have some form of doubling, many of them very subtle. Looking at the non-doubled listings don't show any that match yours...

If you can post up-close pictures of the digits we might help more than wild guessing.

Again, nice mystery!

[UNCLE BINGO]

Sorry man , some of this is hard to do even with the coin in hand ... Did I read something about the possibility of the metal in date for this year because of a flaw in the hub and not the die?

[Albannach]

So the metal in date is in the die
My hypothesis is fro working and reworking of said dies
If you have enough coins in stages and states you begin to see the big picture

This particular coin has very distinct fill in the 2
This die is in a later state and the obverse is seen in multiple varieties listed
You should be able to match it

That being said
When looking at this date it’s all about the 2

Drawing lines down the 1 to the dents is a waste of time and energy
Also forget the polishing you’re getting bogged down and confused “ picking pepper out of fly shit”

[Albannach]

Back to this coin.

Give me a tight shot of the inner ear pls.

[UNCLE BINGO]

Thank you @Albannach there are currently 4 different 1882 -P's on today's postings plus one I have not posted any pictures of so no wonder this is confusing ... I wanted to ask about the die and hub thing because if it is the die then the metal in the 2 should resemble fingerprints almost .. maybe wore down finger prints but there were only a handful with that distinct fill pattern . Is that correct ?

[Albannach]

How and why they are there I can only speculate, it may have been something in the hub, who knows.

So, full disclosure. I am simply trying to help. I have an odd sense of humor, I can be taken the wrong way.
That being said.

Right track wrong train. They are indeed fingerprints. They (typically)progress, before the wear depending on the life of the die, File lines indicate a fix/repair or "polishing". In 82 P it looks like a repair of some sort, to me. They were trying to erase somthig,, perhaps a chip or mispunch. Was it a result of the hubbing process, maybe? It really doesn't matter, if all you want to do is put a VAM xyz on it.
Heres the rub, you are not looking for a "die" specifically, your looking for the stage and state of a die that has listable features. If you love the science of it, Get a copy of Alan's 1902/04 die study guide.

Back to this. You're coin is of interest to me, because I dont have this state, it's a tweener (very exciting for me)
I would love to photograph it. I suspect that's a small chip starting in the left crook of the first 8, is that correct?
Is that a crack forming left of the 1, to the neck?

[SilverToken]

Thank you for the interest. This is exactly how the forum should work!

"just a filled 2" leads to which one, not just to disregard it. There appears to be (11) metal in 2's, and this coin isn't puzzleing in.

I also appreciate the 'tweener" comment, it is perfectly descriptive.

Mysteries are what VAMming is all about, even on the business coins, like the Top 100 96-P VAM 4B that was added last year.

I will get tighter images of the points requested and look for other PUP's

[Albannach]

Try the VAM 30 first.

I need to know if you see a chip forming on the first 8 please, left crook.


Compare the 2's. Looki for lines, top inner ear.

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[SilverToken]

No Chip in 2, noticed that wreath has floating leaves, upper and lower

Attaching closer images, still struggling with lighting on scope....