OT; Thanksgiving Break

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OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by ljs123 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:16 pm

Recently someone posted that no one posts picks anymore.
So, I thought that I would show you my Thanksgiving Break.
I will put it with my H10 Scarface.

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Re: OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by fogie » Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:02 am

That is a really sweet little coin!

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Re: OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by messydesk » Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:14 am

Very nice. Looks like a pretty wholesome coin, too.
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Re: OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by DHalladay » Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:23 am

Great break!
What is that one called... the Decapitated Eagle"?
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Re: OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by ljs123 » Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:23 pm

DHalladay wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:23 am
Great break!
What is that one called... the Decapitated Eagle"?
Not sure what to call it besides mine.
Maybe others have a good name for it?

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Re: OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by DHalladay » Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:06 pm

I did some research in the Heritage archives: BB-168 (R4). Finest known examples are two AU50s. Here's the writeup from a 2005 Heritage auction for a PCGS-25 example, when the rating was R5:

"This is a rare die variety and is in demand by specialists both for its rarity and for the horizontal die break that bisects the reverse. For years it was considered extremely rare and was missing from many specialists' collections. In the B&M 1991 ANA Sale, a mini-hoard of more than 20 pieces was offered, mostly in VG-XF grades, including one counterstamped example. But don't let this fool you - this is still a Rarity-5 early Dollar and a very desirable variety."
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Re: OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:54 am

Words do not describe how truly cool I think that coin is !
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Re: OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by messydesk » Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:52 am

DHalladay wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:06 pm
I did some research in the Heritage archives: BB-168 (R4). Finest known examples are two AU50s. Here's the writeup from a 2005 Heritage auction for a PCGS-25 example, when the rating was R5:

"This is a rare die variety and is in demand by specialists both for its rarity and for the horizontal die break that bisects the reverse. For years it was considered extremely rare and was missing from many specialists' collections. In the B&M 1991 ANA Sale, a mini-hoard of more than 20 pieces was offered, mostly in VG-XF grades, including one counterstamped example. But don't let this fool you - this is still a Rarity-5 early Dollar and a very desirable variety."
Here's the catalog the B&M 1991 ANA sale. See if you can find this coin.

https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/auctionlo ... nId=524028
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Re: OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by morganman » Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:29 am

Thanks much for posting this amazing die break reverse. I personally didnt get into anything
other than Morgan dollars and U S gold coinage. Often wished i had expanded my
collecting horizons a bit, but instead ended up with a Morgan collection comparible to
Redfield, which still blows me away. Will probally take rest of my life to divest em all.

Not bad for a poor boy from Calif who loved cattle/agriculture and hoarding Morgans.
I now find myself having to take breaks from my sorting/gathering Morgans for sale as
the task is very time consuming, becomming frustrating, and tiring most times for this
older duffer LOL.
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Re: OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by ljs123 » Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:58 pm

DHalladay wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:06 pm
I did some research in the Heritage archives: BB-168 (R4). Finest known examples are two AU50s. Here's the writeup from a 2005 Heritage auction for a PCGS-25 example, when the rating was R5:

"This is a rare die variety and is in demand by specialists both for its rarity and for the horizontal die break that bisects the reverse. For years it was considered extremely rare and was missing from many specialists' collections. In the B&M 1991 ANA Sale, a mini-hoard of more than 20 pieces was offered, mostly in VG-XF grades, including one counterstamped example. But don't let this fool you - this is still a Rarity-5 early Dollar and a very desirable variety."
Thanks everyone for your comments.
Dennis,
I don't know how rare this one is. But I saw one several years ago, and I have been trying to get one ever since. I really like the break going across the entire reverse. This is the first one that I had a chance to bid on.

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Re: OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by ljs123 » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:54 am

I was looking at my broken Bust dollar again.
So how do you decide what part is the retained cud? Is it the upper or lower half?

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Re: OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:05 pm

Lee , I asked my rooster what he knew about cuds? , and he said he had not seen one . He told me to go ask a cow :lol: :lol: So obviously I cant answer your question. I still have very, very much to learn .... I have been working on the picture taking thing a little ..still have a lot to learn about that too.......
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Re: OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by Jodemyer » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:40 pm

I think the retained cud is usually higher with a shelflike appearance as it is broke away from the die but still being held in place but slightly recessed into the die. The "retained" means the devices are still imparted. Thats my understanding anyway. And that is one Awesome coin!

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Re: OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by vampicker » Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:48 pm

'Bisecting die break' is typically how you'd see this described. Great coin!
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Re: OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by Malachi35 » Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:03 pm

WOW epic coin
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Re: OT; Thanksgiving Break

Post by ljs123 » Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:36 pm

Thanks JR. Bisecting die break it is.
I was sort of having fun with the retained cud thing. As I understand a retained cud is a break that goes from rim to rim. Usually, it isn't half of the coin. I do like this one. :D

@UNCLE BINGO
I'll have to chew on that for a little while. :lol:

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