Help with 1880-P Overdate, Doubled Neck, Motto, Date & Reverse

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Mike7E
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Help with 1880-P Overdate, Doubled Neck, Motto, Date & Reverse

Post by Mike7E » Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:45 pm

Help with 1880-P Overdate, Doubled Neck, Motto, Date & Reverse
Different doubled neck than VAM-45, Different reverse than any on VAMWorld 2.0 pages.
Some of doubling looks like LDS deterioration at die surface, very irregular.

Obverse:
1 A169 - 20210821_194428.jpg
1 A169 - 20210821_194428.jpg (198.66 KiB) Viewed 341 times
1 doubled under top crossbar, arc goes down left side of shaft, doubled top left of lower crossbar
8 first A172 - 20210825_212152.jpg
8 first A172 - 20210825_212152.jpg (174.93 KiB) Viewed 341 times
8 slight doubling right outside of both loops; die chips between loops
8 second A173 - 20210825_212212.jpg
8 second A173 - 20210825_212212.jpg (177 KiB) Viewed 341 times
8 doubled lower left outside of upper loop, bubbles in loops, surface mark upper right top loop similar to mark in Stems Overdate 8 on VAM-8 page, notch at top. Die chips between both loops minor
0 A172 - 20210821_194525.jpg
0 A172 - 20210821_194525.jpg (210.12 KiB) Viewed 341 times
0 small spikes at top left inside and outside and right outside, doubled left inside that ends in bubble, surface doubling outside lower right. Spikes at top match the top of the 9 crossover points in the overdate overlay on the VAMWorld 2.0 page
Neck A002 - 20210830_175550.jpg
Neck A002 - 20210830_175550.jpg (198.12 KiB) Viewed 341 times
Doubled Neck different than VAM-45. Area shows several die breaks. Mark in denticles below 1.

Full coin and other pics to follow.

Mike7E
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Re: Help with 1880-P Overdate, Doubled Neck, Motto, Date & Reverse

Post by Mike7E » Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:50 pm

IMG_20210828_0001.jpg
IMG_20210828_0001.jpg (112.04 KiB) Viewed 340 times
IMG_20210828_0002.jpg
IMG_20210828_0002.jpg (112.47 KiB) Viewed 340 times
Breaks at P A185 - 20210821_195019.jpg
Breaks at P A185 - 20210821_195019.jpg (205.41 KiB) Viewed 340 times
RI A202 - 20210829_193922.jpg
RI A202 - 20210829_193922.jpg (207.5 KiB) Viewed 340 times
Motto doubled PLURIBUS UNUM Top of P has ‘pull’ marks at back, I has irregular doubling on both sides of shaft, leaf above LI doubled
Cotton Leaf polishing lines A170 - 20210828_204605.jpg
Cotton Leaf polishing lines A170 - 20210828_204605.jpg (207.39 KiB) Viewed 340 times
Die scratches across top cotton leaf

Mike7E
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Re: Help with 1880-P Overdate, Doubled Neck, Motto, Date & Reverse

Post by Mike7E » Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:00 am

Cotton blossoms double A203 - 20210829_194151.jpg
Cotton blossoms double A203 - 20210829_194151.jpg (195.97 KiB) Viewed 338 times
Doubled tops cotton blossoms
Ear A213 - 20210821_195926.jpg
Ear A213 - 20210821_195926.jpg (163.36 KiB) Viewed 338 times
Doubled bottom and inside right of ear
Nose nostril A209 - 20210829_194552.jpg
Nose nostril A209 - 20210829_194552.jpg (199.16 KiB) Viewed 338 times
Break tip of nose lines in nostril
Eye A176 - 20210821_194647.jpg
Eye A176 - 20210821_194647.jpg (197.36 KiB) Viewed 338 times
Doubling top below lid and above eye
LibertA040 - 20210905_212824.jpg
LibertA040 - 20210905_212824.jpg (191.48 KiB) Viewed 338 times
BERTY doubled right and down

Mike7E
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Re: Help with 1880-P Overdate, Doubled Neck, Motto, Date & Reverse

Post by Mike7E » Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:07 am

Reverse C3x

UNITED doubled: U bottom; N left foot, top of slope left inside right shaft; T both sides shaft; D both sides left upright
STATES doubled: S slight mid loop above; T right foot; A rough inside left shaft; T broken left serif or took a hit;
OF doubled: O top outside of loop;
AM A017 - 20210830_193458.jpg
AM A017 - 20210830_193458.jpg (140.29 KiB) Viewed 338 times
AMERICA doubled: A outside right shaft; M inside left shaft, bottom of V and right foot;, E top inside shaft; I top; C top serif; A delamination left side not listable as not repeatable, doubled above and below crossbar
ONE DOLLAR doubled: O bottom inside, left outside broken; N double top left foot, both sides top left shaft, lower crossbar; E top under crossbar; D right outside; O bottom outside right; L both bottom; A inside right top opening, under crossbar, under left foot; R top right loop, inside right foot

Chip at tip of Eagle’s beak
Doubled stars
Arrowheads A005 - 20210830_192145.jpg
Arrowheads A005 - 20210830_192145.jpg (190.31 KiB) Viewed 338 times
Top arrowhead broken at back tip, doubling lower edge center arrowhead, slight bottom edge bottom arrowhead
Rev Polishing leg A004 - 20210830_192122.jpg
Rev Polishing leg A004 - 20210830_192122.jpg (197.57 KiB) Viewed 338 times
Polishing lines between Eagle’s left leg and tail
Designers Initial Bow A034 - 20210905_212331.jpg
Designers Initial Bow A034 - 20210905_212331.jpg (208.1 KiB) Viewed 338 times
Doubled designer’s initial and bow edge, east to west polishing lines in bow
Wreath left 1  top A001 - 20210903_195321.jpg
Wreath left 1 top A001 - 20210903_195321.jpg (184.55 KiB) Viewed 338 times
Doubling both wreaths

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Re: Help with 1880-P Overdate, Doubled Neck, Motto, Date & Reverse

Post by vamsterdam » Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:36 pm

i don't see any evidence of an overdate. i see very minor doubling that wouldn't get listed. examine date position, doubling of digits, and then look through listed vams with those characteristics that have doubling on the reverse.

Mike7E
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Re: Help with 1880-P Overdate, Doubled Neck, Motto, Date & Reverse

Post by Mike7E » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:51 pm

The 'spikes' on the left of the 0 appear more like a bar in this pic and that is where the 9 crosses the 0. The VAMWorld overlay pic from the 1880-P page is here for comparison. Looks like something is going on.
0 top arrows A020 - 20210905_190557.jpg
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1880_overdatejbar1879-over-1880_030811copy.jpg
1880_overdatejbar1879-over-1880_030811copy.jpg (239.16 KiB) Viewed 280 times

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