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79s v15? Confirmation help por favor

Post by CascadeChris » Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:17 am

Hey guys, so does this look like a v15? It says that the 15 is a later obv pairing than v73 but this obv looks EDS. A frosty DMPL or near DMPL obv with a rev just shy of PL. Is it a v15? Thanks!
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Re: 79s v15? Confirmation help por favor

Post by CascadeChris » Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:20 am

Notice the T-shaped gouge under the earlobe. And the reverse shows signs of previous clashing namely the lip clash at left top wreath...

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Re: 79s v15? Confirmation help por favor

Post by CascadeChris » Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:21 am

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Re: 79s v15? Confirmation help por favor

Post by messydesk » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:10 am

Looks like VAM 15 to me. I'd have to see both VAM 15 and 73 together to see which obverse is earlier. While the VAM 15 obverse does look EDS based on the crispness of the stuff below the 1, PL fields on 79-s through 82-S don't necessarily mean EDS. These dies were repolished after being used a lot. There are some 81-S coins that are DMPL, but have loss of sharpness from die wear, most noticeable closer to the rim.
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Re: 79s v15? Confirmation help por favor

Post by CascadeChris » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:21 pm

messydesk wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:10 am
Looks like VAM 15 to me. I'd have to see both VAM 15 and 73 together to see which obverse is earlier. While the VAM 15 obverse does look EDS based on the crispness of the stuff below the 1, PL fields on 79-s through 82-S don't necessarily mean EDS. These dies were repolished after being used a lot. There are some 81-S coins that are DMPL, but have loss of sharpness from die wear, most noticeable closer to the rim.
JB, can the bust be heavily frosted like this on an MDS or later repolished PL? Typically when I see frost like this I assume EDS.
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Re: 79s v15? Confirmation help por favor

Post by messydesk » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:26 pm

CascadeChris wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:21 pm
JB, can the bust be heavily frosted like this on an MDS or later repolished PL? Typically when I see frost like this I assume EDS.
Correct. Frost will fade just like mirrors, but is not brought back with polishing. That's why I said that the VAM 15 obverse looks EDS. The frost is still quite crisp. If VAM 73 is an earlier use of the obverse die, it must be somewhat scarce. My main point was that you can't use mirrors alone to assess the age of the die.
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Re: 79s v15? Confirmation help por favor

Post by CascadeChris » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:17 pm

messydesk wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:26 pm
CascadeChris wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:21 pm
JB, can the bust be heavily frosted like this on an MDS or later repolished PL? Typically when I see frost like this I assume EDS.
Correct. Frost will fade just like mirrors, but is not brought back with polishing. That's why I said that the VAM 15 obverse looks EDS. The frost is still quite crisp. If VAM 73 is an earlier use of the obverse die, it must be somewhat scarce. My main point was that you can't use mirrors alone to assess the age of the die.
Ah, I wasn't following quite well pre-coffee. If 73 truly is an earlier state, you're right. I pulled this ms66 out to sell but I guess I should keep it now and try to find or borrow a confirmed 73 to sort this out after I'm settled in to the new house. And maybe also borrow a v20, 17 & 54 as well just to be thorough. Thanks JB.
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Re: 79s v15? Confirmation help por favor

Post by fogie » Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:48 pm

RPM VAM15

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