1884-o ? 37a2 Does it matter?

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1884-o ? 37a2 Does it matter?

Post by indian4 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:17 am

This would typically be a 37a2 I found the rev to be pretty badly cracked. My questions are :

1. Do any of the cracks show displacement other than on the obverse. I plan on using this coin for myself for comparison.

2. Does it matter other than the cracks are interesting?

Chime in Roger I found you have a broad base of knowledge.

Any help is always appreciated.
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Re: 1884-o ? 23b Does it matter?

Post by indian4 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:19 am

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Re: 1884-o ? 23b Does it matter?

Post by RogerRock » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:01 am

Reverse die crack between S and O (STATES OF) shows tiny die chips . The other die crack at ED (UNITED) also shows tiny die chips developing along the crack. These chips are typically an indication of die crack progression . However, there is no field displacement (yet) that can be seen on these two reverse locations.
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Re: 1884-o ? 23b Does it matter?

Post by indian4 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:16 am

I find cracks on coins interesting. This coin supposedly came out of a complete roll, all the same date and mint. It would be interesting to see if any of the others had cracks like this.
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Re: 1884-o ? 37a2 Does it matter?

Post by indian4 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:57 am

Loren just pointed out a mistake I made. You know I hate him for that. its a 37a2 not 23b. I started moving to quick. Stuff happens.

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Re: 1884-o ? 37a2 Does it matter?

Post by LorenAlbert » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:04 am

indian4 wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:57 am
Thanks Loren a#$&%$!
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Re: 1884-o ? 37a2 Does it matter?

Post by JASONKFLO » Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:50 pm

I thought it might be as it looks similar to mine but I am not as knowledgeable on these yet to speak out haha
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Re: 1884-o ? 23b Does it matter?

Post by RogerRock » Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:29 am

indian4 wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:16 am
I find cracks on coins interesting. This coin supposedly came out of a complete roll, all the same date and mint. It would be interesting to see if any of the others had cracks like this.
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Re: 1884-o ? 37a2 Does it matter?

Post by indian4 » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:45 pm

Roger, I remember reading that these coins were originally transported from the mint in bags which makes sense. At what point would they have gone into rolls? I'm guessing at banks and payroll offices?
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Re: 1884-o ? 37a2 Does it matter?

Post by hallco » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:52 pm

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Re: 1884-o ? 37a2 Does it matter?

Post by RMG1883CC » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:13 pm

Thanks for adding the link!! Crack City has been fun for me. Appreciate your interest for sure. Maybe another resident soon👍

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Post by RMG1883CC » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:19 pm

Hey Ron - it’s me Ron 1883,,,, hit your discovery Thread. Probably didn’t know it was me

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Re: 1884-o ? 37a2 Does it matter?

Post by indian4 » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:23 pm

God bless you Ron. Where you been?
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Post by RMG1883CC » Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:38 pm

I’ll PM you later or tomorrow and get you caught up. Stay safe my friend

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Re: 1884-o ? 37a2 Does it matter?

Post by indian4 » Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:25 pm

Don't go hangin out on street corners smoking cigars and drinking beer.

Wait a minute, that sounds pretty good.
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