1889-P date placement help needed

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1889-P date placement help needed

Post by DHalladay » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:08 pm

Just starting to try to attribute this. (No signs of ear doubling, BTW.)
Would this be considered a far & slanted date?

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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by tmanhg » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:13 pm

That's what I would call it.

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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by DHalladay » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:35 pm

I was afraid someone would say that, because according to our attribution page that means it is VAM 9, 38 or 38A. Except my coin doesn't have a die chip in back of the ear, or die breaks by any of the stars. :(
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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by ljs123 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:41 pm

Good luck Dennis. You may need to go through the far date listings. For example, VAM-10 looks far and slanted to me, but it is only listed as far.

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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by tmanhg » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:43 pm

89 is a nightmare.

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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by DHalladay » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:00 pm

ljs123 wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:41 pm
Good luck Dennis. You may need to go through the far date listings. For example, VAM-10 looks far and slanted to me, but it is only listed as far.

Lee: I did that VAM by VAM, and the closest I can get is plain old VAM 5.
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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by ljs123 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:18 am

DHalladay wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:00 pm
ljs123 wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:41 pm
Good luck Dennis. You may need to go through the far date listings. For example, VAM-10 looks far and slanted to me, but it is only listed as far.

Lee: I did that VAM by VAM, and the closest I can get is plain old VAM 5.

Dennis: That's why I spend a lot of time on an easy year like the 21-Ps. :lol: :lol:

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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by fogie » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:01 am

Very far slanted

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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by DHalladay » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:44 am

Very far? I hadn't considered that option.
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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by blh74 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:04 am

All the above are correct.

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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by TheYokel » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:44 am

What's the ear looking like?

Knowing if the ear is doubled can help narrow this down...
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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by DHalladay » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:27 pm

TheYokel wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:44 am
What's the ear looking like?
Knowing if the ear is doubled can help narrow this down...

As stated in the first post, no signs of ear doubling.
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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by TheYokel » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:56 pm

DHalladay wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:27 pm
TheYokel wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:44 am
What's the ear looking like?
Knowing if the ear is doubled can help narrow this down...

As stated in the first post, no signs of ear doubling.
I only ask because i had a 28 that the outside doubling wore off of. Some ears are weird...

Then there's ones like the 38 where the doubling was polished away...

I've never VAM'd an 89-P off the date alone. Coin needs to be looked at as a whole.

Again. What's that ear looking like? You have a far slanted date. Check against 9/38. There's a chip behind the ear that would be your marker...
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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by DHalladay » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:38 pm

Now I'm more confused than ever.

I went into the "very far date" listings – some of which sure don't appear to be very far dates – and I found my coin seems to be VAM 32, by virtue of the lines in the cotton boll stems and under the tip of the first leaf:

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Except I don't see doubling on LVA's VAM 32 plate photo of ear doubling, and I sure don't see any ear doubling on my coin. So I took this photo. Maybe someone can tell me I'm not seeing what is actually there??

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Yokel:

Please see the third post in this thread... which says I looked at 9, 38 and 38A, but the markers for those VAMs are not present on my coin.
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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by TheYokel » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:07 pm

DHalladay wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:38 pm
Yokel:

Please see the third post in this thread... which says I looked at 9, 38 and 38A, but the markers for those VAMs are not present on my coin.
My apologies dude. I didn't see that when going through the replies. I'll finish morning coffee first next time. Sorry DH...

The "ear doubling": that's why i was saying to not judge the ear simply on perception and to look at the whole. Lots of coins in 89 don't show the doubling he lists, or the dies were worn/polished to the point it just isn't there anymore.

I can see the vertical lines in your bolls, but your ear pic is confusing my eyes. It is appearing in my mind as a negative image and I can't make out many of the fine details.

The lines are the lines though? I'd trust those before the ear...

Nice find on the cotton lines :)

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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by DHalladay » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:23 pm

Yokel:
My eyes are also freaking out about the ear... I see a 'negative' image every time too. Here's another photo with the light source at a different angle; maybe it will appear correctly:

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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by RMG1883CC » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:34 pm

need a shot of left leg of Eagle,,,,,,,,, could be V16

http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/Main/Pa1889VNC1RMG022417

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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by TheYokel » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:40 pm

It looks like you can still make out slight doubling on the bottom of the lobe and at the rear outside of the ear?

Can also see an abundance of polishing lines. If you found the cotton lines, I'd be happy calling it a 32.

Can check to see if the hair still shows doubling? I find it hilarious that the one picture not on the listing is the actual diagnostic mark that's noted...

You might be able to expand a listing if yours still shows it to help the next hunter.
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Re: 1889-P date placement help needed

Post by TheYokel » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:41 pm

RMG1883CC wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:34 pm
need a shot of left leg of Eagle,,,,,,,,, could be V16

http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/Main/Pa1889VNC1RMG022417
DH's date is noticeably farther right of the 3rd denticle to my eyes...?
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