1902-0 vam 45a in ANACS MS-63 value

[chgolaw1]

what would be a good wholesale value of a 1902-0 vam 45a in MS-63? I am looking at a 2 of them and the prices between them are quite far apart for the same grade. Very confusing.

[chgolaw1]

Thanks for the help. I just can't figure out why there is such a big gap in prices for 2 coins that are in 63 and attributed.

[keilg1]

Phenomenally rotated clash that varies in the extent of letter transfer let alone other features transferred? Some falling into the $2000+ range in MS-63 if I recall properly but could imagine them being much less if they're bland...?

[chgolaw1]

So are you suggesting different die states for this particular Vam that would make it less dramatic?

[keilg1]

There are loads of clashed features on some coins, including letter transfer, but, if I understand the progression of simple die wear, the letter transfer seems to fade quickly; as soon as there's no letter transfer it is not a true 45A anymore. Plus, all of this was polished away forming die #3 of the (regular) VAM-45 series.

Strong letter transfer = higher premium? No/little letter transfer (even with strong other features) = low premium?

Very similar to many, many E clahsed coins (especially many coins attempted to be sold as 1883-O VAM-36As which have a TON of coins with all the features except the E transfer) and the 1890-O VAM-10A coins mostly lacking the comet gouge.

My best guess - but still a guess!

[chgolaw1]

Thanks. I don’t think the 45a would fall into that category. I could see if it was found in different grades that the clashing and letter transfer wouldn’t be so strong. These are 2 identical 45a in 63, except that one is in a ANACS and the other is PCGS. There are no other die stages that I know of.

[DHalladay]

Thanks for the help. I just can't figure out why there is such a big gap in prices for 2 coins that are in 63 and attributed.

What are the prices you are referring to?

[chgolaw1]

There are 2 on eBay back to back ANACS MS 63 for $410 and a NGC MS 63 for $2300.

[DHalladay]

Personally -- and this is just my opinion -- I find the $430 price wildly absurd, which makes the $2300 price wildly absurd X5. Yes it's a Kimpton 12 coin, but it's not on any of the major and more actively pursued VAM "lists", which means it is a tiny niche coin that has a tiny following. I'm a longtime VAM collector, but that coin means nothing to me, and I even had to look it up to see what it is.

[chgolaw1]

Thanks Dennis. I thought maybe I was going crazy looking at the prices. If you check the SSDC registry that coin goes for $2500. I think things are boing way overboard

[LateDateMorganGuy]

As usual, the coin's desirability and how much one is willing to pay varies. It is a wickedly clashed, rotated coin. But it is under rated. If it had made the WOW list. it might have more fans.

That being said, I have had 12 coins cross my hands, all cherry-picked. They are findable if one has patience on Ebay and knows the drop dead die marker, even in terrible Ebay photos.

As far as value, I sold 3 examples together on this site in my collection liquidation a little over a year ago at $450 each, if anyone was paying attention. I think the SSDC price guide for this VAM is over-valued, but I was not consulted.

[chgolaw1]

You answered my question! The prices in there are unrealistic.

[DHalladay]

As usual, the coin's desirability and how much one is willing to pay varies. It is a wickedly clashed, rotated coin. But it is under rated. If it had made the WOW list. it might have more fans.

That being said, I have had 12 coins cross my hands, all cherry-picked. They are findable if one has patience on Ebay and knows the drop dead die marker, even in terrible Ebay photos.

As far as value, I sold 3 examples together on this site in my collection liquidation a little over a year ago at $450 each, if anyone was paying attention. I think the SSDC price guide for this VAM is over-valued, but I was not consulted.

Great comments and perspective; I appreciate you sharing them.

[impairedsquirrel]

As usual, the coin's desirability and how much one is willing to pay varies. It is a wickedly clashed, rotated coin. But it is under rated. If it had made the WOW list. it might have more fans.

That being said, I have had 12 coins cross my hands, all cherry-picked. They are findable if one has patience on Ebay and knows the drop dead die marker, even in terrible Ebay photos.

As far as value, I sold 3 examples together on this site in my collection liquidation a little over a year ago at $450 each, if anyone was paying attention. I think the SSDC price guide for this VAM is over-valued, but I was not consulted.

Well, EXCUUUUUUU-USE me!!

[...kenny]

And I sold the one on the high end on eBay. It 'IS STILL' the stopper on the K 12 set.

[chgolaw1]

Kenny you sold the one in NGC MS63? Did you get close to your asking price?