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HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:43 am
by UNCLE BINGO
Greetings ,
I would like to ask a question . Lets say I picked up a "common " yesterday from the bay . Nothing special just something that caught my eye and there was a empty hole in my DANSCO book to fill . Please forgive my inexperience in most things VAM related however Lets say the coin in question is a 1890- O ,,,,,AU 53 if My untrained eye had to guess . PCGS price guide has it for about 55 bucks . After some searching this fine site and its many resources i have preliminary guessed the coin is a VAM 20 falling under the HIT LIST 40 qualification . Although I have no intention of selling any Morgans in my books unless the opportunity for upgrade comes along , I just want to know what kind of added value, if any a Hit list 40 coin is, if any? I hope this question is not too novice in nature . I just don't have anything that says "Hey this VAM is worth x in that grade" . Thank you all in advance .
.///Bob

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:12 am
by messydesk
Moved to "What's it Worth" forum.

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:38 am
by keilg1
Interested in hearing the answer to this one, too.

SSDC database guide shows odd values. Most 90-Os in 50, 53 or 55 condition go for about $45 (to $55 or $60 but not that much higher), yet the SSDC site shows the value for the VAM-20 to run amok in higher circulated grades, only to precipitously drop off at high MS grades. I, personally, think this is a simple error and not reflective of the true value because higher MS graded coins are common but not that low.
  • Grade - 20 Value - $80
  • Grade - 30 Value - $150
  • Grade - 40 Value - $400
  • Grade - 45 Value - $700
  • Grade - 50 Value - $1000
  • Grade - 53 Value - $1200
  • Grade - 55 Value - $1700
  • Grade - 58 Value - $2500
  • Grade - 60 Value - $4000
  • Grade - 61 Value - $75
  • Grade - 62 Value - $85
  • Grade - 63 Value - $100
  • Grade - 64 Value - $250
With none listed higher.

Not a super high SSDC population especially in those higher circulated grades - with a single one (top pop) at an MS60, so these babies could be scarce and the grades/values listed above fairly close (but historical sales related which might not be the case today).

Again, looking forward to hearing from others much more experienced than I am!

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:18 pm
by DHalladay
I will contact the Price Guide administrator and advise him of the error.

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 3:58 am
by UNCLE BINGO
You all are pretty good folks in my book . Thank you !
You made my day !!!!


Got my butt kicked today as my very first PCGS submission came back without the words MINT ERROR on it . Kinda feel a little stupid for not sending caliper measurements of the edges along with it. LMAO .Maybe l will bust it out of its gold shield plastic prison, with my 28 ounce framing hammer and film it for YouTube so I can show the whole world what I really think about third party grading opinions :popcorn: .......

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:55 pm
by Geseas
Will you be using an Estwing?
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A good tool but may not be the best choice for what you have in mind.

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:24 pm
by UNCLE BINGO
HI Geseas,

Now that you mention it i think its an old Vaughn with the hickory handle . i just got results back on my third PCGS submitting, and one of my commons came back genuine UNC cleaned with no grade so I might be using the hammer on that one as well . :lol: :lol: I tried the more civilized approach once by using a pair of dykes on a holder , but it just does not have the same satisfaction as the trusty hammer . LOL

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:44 am
by Geseas
Hello Bob,

Vaughn has a long history of making quality hand tools.

I looked on youtube just to see what was the best recommendation for a coin extraction from Thee third-party holder. There were a lot of good, no damage to the coin, ideas.
Sounds like a lot of folks are dissatisfied with the TP sealed slip grading business; .just like yourself.
when you read on more, they want the option to handle the coins and see the edge. VSS and Anacs will figure something out. :)

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:00 pm
by colwillys
Wood chisel and hammer . hit the seam on the side of holder , away from coin be safe .

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 6:33 pm
by Geseas
Thanks @colwillys I went searching for a chisel to do the 'deed' for my first time. I found this on the chisel. maybe a little OT, but my guess is this company had a lot in common with coin die-making. Has a hardened 'edge holding' layer of metal when you look at the chisel profile. The top layer is soft.
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Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:44 pm
by UNCLE BINGO
Unfortunately I tend to get off topic .LOL
I guess I need to see if the SSDC Data base values for the original coin in question has been amended to give a better idea of what a 1890-O VAM 20 in a AU 53 really is ? I will have to start a new topic and get someone else to explain just what makes some of these newly accrued Third party grading opinions bare the cleaned coin badge of shame .Now I have high res photos to share if I can figure out how to shrink the pictures down enough to share them on here . Because I really would like to have some idea of what I am doing wrong . This other "common " has better eye appeal than even my highest graded Morgan Dollar and I am truly left scratching my head and reaching for the trusty hammer . :popcorn:

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:56 pm
by Geseas
UNCLE BINGO wrote:
Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:44 pm
Unfortunately I tend to get off topic .LOL
I guess I need to see if the SSDC Data base values for the original coin in question has been amended to give a better idea of what a 1890-O VAM 20 in a AU 53 really is ? I will have to start a new topic and get someone else to explain just what makes some of these newly accrued Third party grading opinions bare the cleaned coin badge of shame .Now I have high res photos to share if I can figure out how to shrink the pictures down enough to share them on here . Because I really would like to have some idea of what I am doing wrong . This other "common " has better eye appeal than even my highest graded Morgan Dollar and I am truly left scratching my head and reaching for the trusty hammer . :popcorn:
Thank you @UNCLE BINGO I am looking forward to your new discussion. I will stay on topic with my comments. :) You may be shedding some light on the dusty corners of this great site!

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:55 pm
by UNCLE BINGO
keilg1 wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:38 am
Interested in hearing the answer to this one, too.

SSDC database guide shows odd values. Most 90-Os in 50, 53 or 55 condition go for about $45 (to $55 or $60 but not that much higher), yet the SSDC site shows the value for the VAM-20 to run amok in higher circulated grades, only to precipitously drop off at high MS grades. I, personally, think this is a simple error and not reflective of the true value because higher MS graded coins are common but not that low.
  • Grade - 20 Value - $80
  • Grade - 30 Value - $150
  • Grade - 40 Value - $400
  • Grade - 45 Value - $700
  • Grade - 50 Value - $1000
  • Grade - 53 Value - $1200
  • Grade - 55 Value - $1700
  • Grade - 58 Value - $2500
  • Grade - 60 Value - $4000
  • Grade - 61 Value - $75
  • Grade - 62 Value - $85
  • Grade - 63 Value - $100
  • Grade - 64 Value - $250
With none listed higher.

Not a super high SSDC population especially in those higher circulated grades - with a single one (top pop) at an MS60, so these babies could be scarce and the grades/values listed above fairly close (but historical sales related which might not be the case today).

Again, looking forward to hearing from others much more experienced than I am!
May I inquire how or where one might access this data base for VAM values?

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:28 am
by keilg1
By becomming a member of SSDC. From the main VAMWorld2.0 page: http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... /wiki/SSDC

Well worth it, IMHO.

And continued best of luck!

Gary

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:48 pm
by UNCLE BINGO
Thank you very much Sir ! That's way cheaper than Greysheets . and probably wont irritate me near as much. :lol:

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:16 am
by UNCLE BINGO
OK so is there a way to join The SSDC online ? I tried to it online and the link for the application appears to not work anymore .
It is probably me . if not and we need to do it the old fashion way with a check and snail mail , I am good with that. I just would very much like to join if that is OK ?

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 3:09 pm
by UNCLE BINGO
So now that I have joined the SSDC , could somebody please tell me how to access the price guide?

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 8:23 pm
by colwillys
Go to SSDC , left side of page price guide . I thing a is only morgan dollars .

Re: HIt List 40 Value Questions

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 8:25 pm
by colwillys
VAM value guide punch the check mark .