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1885 Morgan obverse die - not cancelled

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:50 am
by Vamhammer
I know of an 1885 Morgan die obverse only that has not been cancelled (big "X" chiseled ). The owner might be interested in selling and has thrown out a number to me. I have no idea as far as value and I am dying to VAM it. Does anyone know the value or where I could find information? Is the die legal to own in that condition?

I saw Ash's post of his recent ANA purchase of the 1884cc dies that have been cancelled. Any help or opinion on value would be appreciated.

He also has a trade dollar die reverse only "P" that is not cancelled. It has a big chip of steel missing near the rim - talk about a die break!

Re: 1885 Morgan obverse die - not cancelled

Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:25 pm
by ljs123
Vamhammer wrote:
Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:50 am
Is the die legal to own in that condition?


I’m bumping this up because I’m interested to know if it is legal to own Morgan dies that are not cancelled.

Re: 1885 Morgan obverse die - not cancelled

Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:58 pm
by Vamhammer
Sorry for the poor picture quality - all I had was my cell phone and it had a plexiglass cover protecting the die.
Nice die break going through the "N" in UNUM. Couple of die gouges at "P" and "U" in plur. I was pretty excited to actually see it! Now for the big question - what VAM is it?

Re: 1885 Morgan obverse die - not cancelled

Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:54 pm
by Tekkie1
Hi and welcome to VW.

Hate to tell you but that is a fake die.
The fonts are puffy and the date is off as well.

Gouges in the letters "P" and "U" along with the large break at the back of hair.

The denticles look like crap as well.
Don't buy it.

Re: 1885 Morgan obverse die - not cancelled

Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:06 pm
by messydesk
According to 18 USC 25 §487:
Whoever, without lawful authority, makes any die, hub, or mold, or any part thereof, either of steel or plaster, or any other substance, in likeness or similitude, as to the design or the inscription thereon, of any die, hub, or mold designated for the coining or making of any of the genuine gold, silver, nickel, bronze, copper, or other coins coined at the mints of the United States; or

Whoever, without lawful authority, possesses any such die, hub, or mold, or any part thereof, or permits the same to be used for or in aid of the counterfeiting of any such coins of the United States—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than fifteen years, or both.
So it sounds like its worth up to 15 years plus fines and court costs.

Re: 1885 Morgan obverse die - not cancelled

Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:53 pm
by ljs123
messydesk wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:06 pm
According to 18 USC 25 §487:
Whoever, without lawful authority, makes any die, hub, or mold, or any part thereof, either of steel or plaster, or any other substance, in likeness or similitude, as to the design or the inscription thereon, of any die, hub, or mold designated for the coining or making of any of the genuine gold, silver, nickel, bronze, copper, or other coins coined at the mints of the United States; or

Whoever, without lawful authority, possesses any such die, hub, or mold, or any part thereof, or permits the same to be used for or in aid of the counterfeiting of any such coins of the United States—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than fifteen years, or both.
So it sounds like its worth up to 15 years plus fines and court costs.

Thanks JB

Re: 1885 Morgan obverse die - not cancelled

Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:24 am
by Vamhammer
Thanks for all the great information. Didn't buy it.

Re: 1885 Morgan obverse die - not cancelled

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:05 pm
by lioncutter
Probably one of those chinese fakes.