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1883-O VAM-1C2 VF

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:05 am
by UncleGildy
I'm not sure this is the correct board, so please correct me if I should relocate it.

I'm wondering if it's worth slabbing my recent 83O VAM-1C2 with AOH?

While assessing on eBay, the photos told me it would grade as VF20. The photos were soft focus, probably trying to hide what the seller thought were negative features. It may grade higher, but let's assume VF20 for now.

Under the loupe, and while taking photos with phone + triplet 10x, I noticed some extreme strike doubling. Well, it's the first time I'm recognized it on my own (thanks to that recent post by JB). I assume it's extreme. Some of the denticles and even part of the eagle's wing show a very low shelf of strike doubling. Very cool IMO :D.

To me the variety seems quite rare, but that's due to deterioration of a die, so there are more out there with this deterioration. But the strike doubling makes this lady even more unique. It was interesting in that article how die deterioration can also lead to a type of doubling (but not this doubling).

I assume the strike doubling adds no value what so ever, except to tell the story of a rare die variety being even more rare or unique. My understanding is that strike doubling will affect a handful of coins until the operator realizes the die is not secure.

Thanks in advance for any estimates of value or advice on grading w/ AOH.

Just for fun, I can post the listing photos so you can see what I had to go on before risking $23.99 :shock:.
lemme know and I'll add.

Below are some quick photos from cell phone (no loupe, no contrast enhancement).
83O-1C2_OBV01c_Gildy.jpg (191.62 KiB) Viewed 1629 times
83O-1C2_REV01c_Gildy.jpg (203.67 KiB) Viewed 1629 times

Re: 1883-O VAM-1C2 VF

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:07 am
by UncleGildy
Photos with loupe, cropped (no contrast enhancement)
83O-1C2_Regional01_Gildy.jpg (199.04 KiB) Viewed 1628 times
83O-1C2_Regional02_Gildy.jpg (189.22 KiB) Viewed 1628 times
83O-1C2_Regional03_Gildy.jpg (169.43 KiB) Viewed 1628 times
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Re: 1883-O VAM-1C2 VF

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:13 pm
by VamHelsing
I'd call it VF30 Cleaned, details.

Re: 1883-O VAM-1C2 VF

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:29 pm
by UncleGildy
Thanks John. I forgot about the obvious "details" curse. I'm guessing it's not a matter of luster and surface detail on lower grade coins, as that's removed with the wear. This one shows plenty of dirt in the corners and crevices in a manner which indicates someone "washed it" good. Please let me know if details on a VF coin is a different matter (still learning the lower grade end of things).

I thought the 1C2 were rare and sought after.

Does anyone have a feel for the value of this coin, slabbed AOH or not?
Is there any premium a coin like this would carry over the $25 Blue Book value?