Sorry This coin is Not getting Dipped

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Sorry This coin is Not getting Dipped

Post by twohawks » Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:16 pm

Well it seems like a TPG service is bagging coins of color just to catch up with there back log. I have recently bought 3 BB coins with extremely light toning on the rims of coins, and then we have this one seen below. I will be bringing this one to FUN to get other opinions as well. SO as fair Warning don't send in anything with color to ...You can figure it out
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Re: Sorry This coin is Not getting Dipped

Post by twohawks » Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:25 pm

here are 2 other photos of this eds of the V-16 check mark
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Re: Sorry This coin is Not getting Dipped

Post by CascadeChris » Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:36 pm

I'm guessing they didn't like the light blue "halo" around the bust. Everything else looks ok. That said, PC is being EXTREMELY tight right now. I've seen it first hand the last couple of months both with general grades and, especially, with color but even more hard in giving out PL/DMPL designations for solid mirrors, not just ones on the line ((roughly since Hall left, if theres a connection there who knows but you would think they would loosen the standards as a form of "heroin for the masses" to make the transition easier for their customers to digest. Guess not))

It will be interesting to hear what the chatter is the last 2 days of FUN when the dealers start getting their show grades back. My guess, show grading will be very profitable for dealers and office grading will remain tight for a bit longer.
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Re: Sorry This coin is Not getting Dipped

Post by blh74 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:23 am

It seems to me the coin will grade if it looks like coin on coin bag crescent toning.

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Re: Sorry This coin is Not getting Dipped

Post by ...kenny » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:33 am

AT or NT, she sure is a Pretty Girl! I don't believe I could do anything that would change that!! Sometimes, things are better left as intended!!!... :lol:
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Re: Sorry This coin is Not getting Dipped

Post by messydesk » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:26 am

CascadeChris wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:36 pm
I'm guessing they didn't like the light blue "halo" around the bust. Everything else looks ok.
I was just about to write the same thing. The toning shouldn't take that shape there.
It will be interesting to hear what the chatter is the last 2 days of FUN when the dealers start getting their show grades back. My guess, show grading will be very profitable for dealers and office grading will remain tight for a bit longer.
You'll hear the usual griping. Good grades will be squirreled away silently so they can be sold for more in a "tight" grading environment. What you want to listen for is the sound of slabs being broken on Friday and Saturday.
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Re: Sorry This coin is Not getting Dipped

Post by HawkeEye » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:29 pm

Looks a bit like album toning where the rim was in primary contact with something like cardboard and there is less toning toward the center. I don't know if we are calling that AT or NT but it is a really nice coin. Thanks for the warning on the TPG.
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Re: Sorry This coin is Not getting Dipped

Post by twohawks » Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:34 pm

The dealer that I bought this one from pulled it out of a Wittman dollar type date book of 1878 - 1890. I don't know how long the person that sold this to him had been collecting, but I am to understand his son was the seller.


Even in JB bulk group it was kind of funky, here is a photo of one I sent in under bulk thinking the reverse looked funky and a NO Grade so a good probability. This one graded MS-65
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Re: Sorry This coin is Not getting Dipped

Post by CascadeChris » Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:00 pm

Russ. That one looks good. Much better in terms of "market acceptable" that your OP with the profile halo which, even if it is "natural" (NT), isn't quite "market acceptable" (MT).. There are only a few instances where you can say "I know how that color got there with 99.9% confidence" like small-dot textile toning coming from treasury bags or the ringed pastels from a PCI insert so the market has shifted from NT/AT to MA/NMA and the grader that saw your OP decided the blue halo look was NMA nomatter if it happened naturally or not. Hope this helps.
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Re: Sorry This coin is Not getting Dipped

Post by twohawks » Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:00 pm

I understand, but I sill have an issue with the fact I own other toned PCGS graded coins that look just like the 1st one. Its the inconsistency in standards on color as well as PL and DMPL that drives me up a wall. I sold a toned 1888 O to Ash a few years back, I had to send it in 3 times, and it was a Col Green, Newman coin. I sent in in the 3rd time with the paper flip from the old sale and then it graded MS-65

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Re: Sorry This coin is Not getting Dipped

Post by CascadeChris » Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:07 pm

twohawks wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:00 pm
I understand, but I sill have an issue with the fact I own other toned PCGS graded coins that look just like the 1st one. Its the inconsistency in standards on color as well as PL and DMPL that drives me up a wall. I sold a toned 1888 O to Ash a few years back, I had to send it in 3 times, and it was a Col Green, Newman coin. I sent in in the 3rd time with the paper flip from the old sale and then it graded MS-65
I feel ya. It can be frustrating sometimes but it's also half the fun of "the game." That's how I choose to view it anyway which helps to tamp down the frustration when they're being picky. And its also a big part of the revenue model for the TPGs so don't expect the inconsistency to change anytime soon even though we now have advanced technology that could, theoretically, make it happen.
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Re: Sorry This coin is Not getting Dipped

Post by mark » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:53 pm

The coin looks AT to me. Not saying it is but does not look natural. I wouldn't dip, but would probably use MS70 or similar to see if it brightens the coin and removes some of the hazy toning.

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Re: Sorry This coin is Not getting Dipped

Post by twohawks » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:09 pm

Here are photos of this coin without lighting that PCGS uses in imaging. This coin in hand is not un-attractive or lacking luster.
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