1904-O-VAM-30 Die 1. Interesting anomaly in IBE.

rhodes6467 · Post by **rhodes6467** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:44 am

While attributing this coin, I saw what I figured would be a marker for the VAM but never ran across it in the listing, just wanted you take on what it might be. It runs through the base of IBE, in LIBERTY and is strongest inside the lower loop of the B. The only thing I could think of, was maybe a dual clash that was overlooked but I see no evidence of clashing anywhere else. Maybe just gouges of some sort but thought it was interesting.

Thanks for looking and any thoughts.
Jon.

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... Pair_.231.

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rhodes6467 · Post by **rhodes6467** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:47 am

Additional pics for Die 1.

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keilg1 · Post by **keilg1** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:48 am

Hi Jon.

I don't mean to offend your knowledge, so please take this as help: if you're talking about the big thing on the lower half of the B - kinda looks like an odd smile to me - smack in the middle of that area this is almost certainly PMD (post-mint damage). I'm not seeing anything that cuts across the IBE except something at a potential 45 degree angle but this also looks like PMD to me. If this were a clash it'd be certainly novel as I've never seen any coin with clashing there and not along the neckline or on the reverse.

Happy to learn from others with more experience. Nice looking coin regardless!

fogie · Post by **fogie** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 8:42 pm

I am not sure that - at least the far left part of said aberration - is not a strike thru, The smiley bit does not look like a die feature but .... It IS a aberration no doubt!

rhodes6467 · Post by **rhodes6467** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:42 pm

Thank you for checking it out, guys. keilg1, when dealing with something like this, damage to the coin should probably be the first thing you should consider, and I did not. I'll look it over a little closer and maybe get some angled pics, you may be correct and trust me, no offense was taken.

The main reason it caught my eye was it looked like a possible dual clash but not lining up with anything, suppose it could be rotated if it is, they are more than not.

rhodes6467 · Post by **rhodes6467** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:44 pm

Thank you, fogie. I also did not consider a struck though. As I said above, I will try to get some better pics.

keilg1 · Post by **keilg1** » Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:37 am

rhodes6467 wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:42 pm
Thank you for checking it out, guys. keilg1, when dealing with something like this, damage to the coin should probably be the first thing you should consider, and I did not. I'll look it over a little closer and maybe get some angled pics, you may be correct and trust me, no offense was taken. The main reason it caught my eye was it looked like a possible dual clash but not lining up with anything, suppose it could be rotated if it is, they are more than not.

My favorite varieties are the 1887-O VAM-37A and the 1886-O VAM-19A, both massively rotated and shifted off-center clahsed versions showing the TY clash on the reverse amongst other things.

Agree with fogie it might be a strike through which I also find interesting (and, surprisingly, not uncommon).

Looking forward to watching this evolve.