1882-O VAM-25? Assistance requested.

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Kurt28
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1882-O VAM-25? Assistance requested.

Post by Kurt28 » Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:15 pm

I have little to go on but the mint mark position, as the coin is only in fine condition.

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... 2-O_VAM-25

However, it appears to have wreath clashing on the obverse behind the cap, and a “cap vee” clash on the reverse.

Phantom clashes may be imagined on the obverse neck and possibly lip/chin area. Ditto the reverse above the eagle's right wing towards the “In.”

Any assistance is appreciated.
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Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:37 pm

What is the little gouge looking thing at the 4th tail feather ? factory or PMD?
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Re: 1882-O VAM-25? Assistance requested.

Post by Kurt28 » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:17 pm

Appears to be PMD. Thanks for looking.

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Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:26 pm

I mean there are couple that are really close , nothing conclusive from where I am sitting . They get like that and you need an expert . I looked at the 23 's pretty close just for the clash location and that MM has something going on that might be evil mimic territory . but you are way above my pay grade so far :lol:
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Re: 1882-O VAM-25? Assistance requested.

Post by Kurt28 » Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:15 pm

I'm not above anyone's pay grade, just ask my previous employers. I think we'll get it figured out. Thanks.

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Re: 1882-O VAM-25? Assistance requested.

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Mon Oct 02, 2023 1:31 am

K Kurt , so let me ask you something about this , when we look at this coin or any other in the fine to VF condition , other wise worn down . especially with clashes . How does one interpret what the mind sees ? Is the "phantom Clash " a result of coin wear or did the die wear down to the point there was no longer letter transfer? Best match I saw for the clash alignment was a 23A ... I'm not saying that is what it is or was . But that is why I said an expert would be needed , because I don't know the answer to that question . The evil mimic part in the MM may just be me looking at clouds , its a old habit :lol:
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Re: 1882-O VAM-25? Assistance requested.

Post by rhodes6467 » Mon Oct 02, 2023 1:57 am

Kurt, you are very astute with the VAM's, that being said, I see nothing at this point that would persuade me to see anything other than what UNCLE BINGO sees, VAM-23A. Everything about yours lines up with with it. The date placement, mm location and all of the clashing.

The VAM-25 you gave us the link to, what makes you lean that way, other than a very close mm location? Does your 2 look doubled? Do you think the mm is doubled? To me the mm is just filled in, possibly due to circulation or die wear, don't see it. I'm not the sharpest but that's my dollars worth. :)

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Re: 1882-O VAM-25? Assistance requested.

Post by morganman » Mon Oct 02, 2023 2:54 am

I start with clashing example or not, move to check date
position and ck doubling, then flip to see MM issues if any
This one tilted left-not sure if o/o clasher will narrow field
Quick attrib of possibilities made simple
seems 23A most possible so far-keep it simple
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Post by Kurt28 » Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:28 pm

I am convinced I was mistaken and the correct attribution is VAM-23A (as everyone but me seemed to know.)
When going down the list of options, I thought the mint mark on the VAM-23A was not far enough to the left and thus got off the correct path.

The date is worn to the point that it may not be helpful in determining the VAM.
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The clashes that I thought might be scratches and PMD coincide nicely with the VAM-23A, and with some patience and camera experimentation, I was able to capture and share.
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Thank you all for your expertise and gentle correction.

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Re: 1882-O VAM-25? Assistance requested.

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:28 pm

I don't have any expertise , Please help me remember something about the date position before 1884 because, I don't wanna learn how to do this wrong , aren't they hubbed ? Sorry for the stupid question . I do not have enough experience in this hobby to really be sure of anything yet . :?:
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Post by rhodes6467 » Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:43 pm

UNCLE BINGO, you are partially correct, I've been out of it for some time and forgot. 1878 and 1921 dates were completely hubbed and 1879-1883 were partially hubbed, with the first two digits. 1884-1904 dates were not hubbed.


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Post by rhodes6467 » Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:49 pm

Kurt, you among many others, were very patient with me when I started on VAMWorld, in 2011. Mitch was another that put up with me and my ignorance, quite well. :) I have been away from VAMming for several years now and will need your help moving forward, while getting back into the saddle. Thank you for your help on the recent 1904-O I posted and moving me in the right direction.

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Re: 1882-O VAM-25? Assistance requested.

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Tue Oct 03, 2023 1:44 pm

rhodes6467 wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:43 pm
UNCLE BINGO, you are partially correct, I've been out of it for some time and forgot. 1878 and 1921 dates were completely hubbed and 1879-1883 were partially hubbed, with the first two digits. 1884-1904 dates were not hubbed.


LINK http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... ositioning
Thank you so much for the clarification. The simplest basic hiccup in trying to understand this can be crippling. I use to be able to read something once and remember it . Those days are gone. I blame misspent youth. But I guess it's just hell to get old :lol:
" May your clashes be EDS , your breaks be LDS , and your wife not have PMS over your collecting habits! " ;)

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