Help on a 1921D with two die gouges that do not show in listings

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Help on a 1921D with two die gouges that do not show in listings

Post by Inspector7127 » Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:06 am

I have a 1921D Morgan that has two die gouges or scratches that do not show in any of the listing under 1921D. Would really appreciate any help what so ever to try to attribute this coin. There is nothing fancy about this coin. There are no die breaks (surprisingly) to help identify or narrow this down. I almost called it a VAM-1.

Under a close examination, I found what looks like a faint Die Scratch or gouge that runs from the denticles above the 2nd T in STATES to the A. Almost like the die scratch in the listing for the VAM-1CM. Maybe a feeder finger gouge. Its not as strong, it barely shows in the photo attached. The second die scratch or gouge is from the upper right side of the Bow the upper leaf on the right side of the wreath. This shows quite well in the photo,

I have gone through all of the listing for the 21D and compared this coin to the photos but I can not come up with a match. Again, any ideas is much appreciated.
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Re: Help on a 1921D with two die gouges that do not show in listings

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:30 am

@DHalladay may ask you for a picture of the scribbles , do you know what those are? down by the eagles talons , usually the viewers left / eagles right . and he might know off the top of his head too , because scribbles take some looking for and are kinda hard to capture on film so to speak ...
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Re: Help on a 1921D with two die gouges that do not show in listings

Post by messydesk » Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:37 am

If you use the search terms ""1921-D" gouge bow" (1921-D must be in quotes because of the dash) you will find it.
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Re: Help on a 1921D with two die gouges that do not show in listings

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:06 am

and then there is also that guy who just posted that has probably forgotten more about attribution than I will ever know :lol: thanks JB for all you do !
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Re: Help on a 1921D with two die gouges that do not show in listings

Post by DHalladay » Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:06 pm

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... -D_VAM-8B1

The gouges next to the bow are secondary PUPs. The HUGE horizontal gouges just above the arrows in the upper tail feathers are the key diagnostic for this VAM.
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Re: Help on a 1921D with two die gouges that do not show in listings

Post by Inspector7127 » Fri Sep 29, 2023 7:47 pm

I appreciate all your responses. I have taken more photos of the Tail Feathers, wings, wing/neck gap, and the bow area using lighting that shows the scribbling die scratches better. Then I looked up under the search ("1921-D Bow gouge). Then I went trough all of the scribbling die scratch listing until I am seeing lines all over the place. One of the photos shows two lines in the lower tail feather area above the Olive Branch/Arrow cross over point that do not show on any of the VAM listings (attached). Are those the gouges that you mentioned @DHoliday? There also seems to be little die chips (?) just below the olive branch that I have never seen before. I have attached photos of the bow die scratches and the die scratch that is part of my first question. I did not realize how much the scribbling die scratch differ.

Thanks again for the assistance.
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Re: Help on a 1921D with two die gouges that do not show in listings

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:09 pm

Maybe I should not have mentioned the scribbles, about the only way I have found for looking for those that works is to split screen them so they are side by side . put your picture next to the the one from the page that @DHalladay provided . they will mess with your mind going from page to page ... they are like finger prints ....
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Re: Help on a 1921D with two die gouges that do not show in listings

Post by johnhenry9009 » Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:03 pm

It appears to be either V-8B1 or B2 http://www.vamworld.com/wiki/1921-D_VAM-8B2
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Re: Help on a 1921D with two die gouges that do not show in listings

Post by Inspector7127 » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:18 pm

johnhenry9009

Thank you so much for the information on the VAM-8B1 or B2. The listing for the B1 is identical to my Morgan. Do not know how missed that. Looking at so many scribbling die scratches listings, my old eyes are a blur.

Thanks again for the help.

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Re: Help on a 1921D with two die gouges that do not show in listings

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:43 pm

Man I am so sorry I just complicated that . I forget that not every person on the planet may be familiar with these message boards . If you see one of those underlined lines of code that appear as a different color of text again , They are called hyperlinks .Sometimes the people more familiar with these boards will provide one , and I don't know if you knew about them or not . but if you hover above one with your cursor and click they will take you to a different page ... I will shut up now because I have just managed to muddy the waters in this thread .
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