1883 O VAM 28

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lhnumis1
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1883 O VAM 28

Post by lhnumis1 » Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:47 pm

The VAM 28 later die state imaged below contains some images not shown on the VAM 28 web pages. Trust they may be of some help for attribution...
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Obverse
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A Die scratch or polishing line emerges from the eye and continues downward on the nose where it terminates. A die scratch or polishing line is noted on the left of the eyeball.
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The 1 appears doubled under the upper crossbar. A tiny notch indicative of doubling is noted on the upper right side of the upright.
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A die crack loop is noted on the forehead, emerging from and terminating in the hair.
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The 3 appears doubled at the inside lower left.
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Re: 1883 O VAM 28

Post by lhnumis1 » Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:58 pm

Additional images...
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Several raised lines inside the ear near the bottom are noted, along with several lines outside of the ear to the right and below.
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The 1st 8 appears doubled slightly at the inside lower left of the upper loop. The 8 also appears doubled at the inside left of the lower loop.
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Various raised parallel lines are note under the Phrygian cap.
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Barely visible remnants of die gouges are noted emerging from the tips of the wheat ears in this LDS example.
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Reverse
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Re: 1883 O VAM 28

Post by lhnumis1 » Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:07 pm

Additional images...

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The mintmark is set slightly low and tilted a bit left.
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Various fine lines in the wing-neck gap are noted.
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'trus' doubled at the top...the last 't' doubled at the bottom right.
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'We' doubled as shown.
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'God' doubled as shown...inside bottom of G may be tripled.
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Re: 1883 O VAM 28

Post by lhnumis1 » Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:27 pm

Last images...

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'In' doubled as shown. Not shown are various letters of the reverse inscription that are slightly doubled or tripled at the bottom of some letters usually at the lower left or right serifs.
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The 1st S of STATES exhibits a die gouge the the top as shown.
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Re: 1883 O VAM 28

Post by raynat3 » Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:42 am

I haven't been keeping up with changes on the 83-O listings for some time. There has been substantial work done with many good photos. The VAM 28 listing does not appear to have been updated and is listed for a doubled 3. The phenomena shown in the lower loop of 3 in the plate photo from 4th edition of encyclopedia is present in some degree in most all 1883 Morgan dollars no matter the mint. I believe JR originally commented that this phenomena in the 83-O appeared to be the result of a broken/deteriorating punch. Have posted a few pictures in the past that show various stages of deterioration.

As for your coin in hand I do not have my notes or coins available to recall what this may be attributed as. It appears that you show some doubling of date digits on your pictures. I would document that and see if those match any of the VAMs listed with those digits. Also the thing on the forehead may be listed as a marker in another listing. I am not sure what it is but it was on every coin i found with all the other pick-up points. I assume an issue with working die and not a strike through.

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