Proof vs biz reeding

[coinnoob7]

Anyone have good photos of the reeding on proof morgan and peace dollars? Curious to see the differences. Wonder if the TPGs will ever bother showing reeding in their photos or put a little mirror at 45d in the slab. Wish ANACS/PCGS wouldn't hide the reeds with their slab design.

[RogerB]

Please go to the book From Mine to Mint for descriptions and illustrations of how collars with reeding were made. Once you have this information, try forming a clearer question.

[coinnoob7]

how is this question not clear?

Does anyone have pictures of the reeding of Morgan proofs? I've searched the internet and can't find any. I don't have any Morgan proofs myself, nor does my LCS. Could somone with a Morgan proof take a picture of the edge for me? Its possible to see the edge in some slabs.

[RogerB]

how is this question not clear?

Your question is too ambiguous to give a useful response. What years do you refer to? Screwpress or hydraulic press? Which mints for comparison and what years for them?

If you understood how, where and when reeded collars were produced, your question would be different. You would therefore receive a much better and clearer answer. Right now, edge photos of proof Morgan or Peace dollars to compare with photos of circulation pieces would likely result in unsatisfactory conclusions.

You can easily borrow the book from your local library or via interlibrary loan for $3.

PS: If you merely want some anonymous pictures, the members can probably help or search the internet.

[Albannach]

Search the site for (so called) Zerbe dies or wide reed 21’s

There is a lot of speculation around the how and why of that collar/series…

Also
Proof Morgan’s were struck on a screw press in the medal room.

Roger has excellent point about understanding the production of collars. He gave you good advice and it’ a “dry” read ( no offense ). And has a great deal of valuable data in it

[RogerB]

... and it’ a “dry” read ( no offense )

No offense taken.

From Mine to Mint (and the successor Mine to Mint 2) were prepared to give collectors clear, accurate and understandable information about mechanical and operational processes at US Mints. They were deliberately written without flowers, honey bees, pleasure boat drama, or other distractions. There is a lot of detail packed into each book's 500+ pages, which is why a searchable CD is included. [It is too costly to put on-line and maintain.]

[RogerB]

Proof Morgan’s were struck on a screw press in the medal room.

A hydraulic medal press was used after 1893. (The screw press specifications will be in M2M-2 -- once I finish editing and get it printed.)

[vampicker]

The next time I have a proof Morgan cross my desk, I'll try to remember to shoot a picture of the reeding.
I will strongly caution you that the edge is unlikely to be a useful diagnostic unlike something like an Indian Head cent. As a comparison, I went thru my copy of John Dannreuther's epic book on proof gold. It catalogs and illustrates every known marriage. There's nothing about reeding.

[RogerB]

"There's nothing about reeding."

This is a pervasive loss of information, only exacerbated by TPG holders. There are several mysteries in reeded edge coins, and suspected varieties in lettered edge gold, but we don't have access to enough data to ask the right questions. There is also the anti-counterfeiting aspect.

[vampicker]

Missed my point but whatever, I'm out.

[ljs123]

Missed my point but whatever, I'm out.

JR,
I love to read everything that you post. I try my best to learn from you.
You are so far advanced in all things VAMs and coins that I miss your point more than I like to admit.
But that is my fault, not yours. I will keep trying to get your point.
But please don't be out on any topic.
You are a blessing to many.

[RogerB]

Missed my point but whatever, I'm out.

Seemed quite clear to me.... Did not intend to step on any toes.

[coinnoob7]

I didn't mean to step on any toes either, all of the feedback, book recommendations, offers to take photos are very much appreciated. Thank you all.

[vampicker]

Looked at Dannreuther's book again and in part one there is a brief discussion about collars in the introductory text. He states it's an unreliable and potentially misleading diagnostic for proof vs business strike attributions on reeded edge coins.
He likely didn't catalog the edges because he didn't think it was particularly useful. And that was the point I was raising.
I look forward to his volume that will cover silver coinage. It will be of far greater use than any discussion we might have here.

When I have the opportunity shoot a picture, I will. Other than that I'm done with this subject.

[Albannach]

I had a discussion in Baltimore a few years back. Daniel C was running his press. I remember someone saying they had purchased a press from gov surplus
The press came with a box of parts, mostly destroyed collars. Based on that conversation, I have been of the impression they went through them like”shit through a goose” (as my dad used to say…)
If that’s true, your chasing a mythical beast…

[RogerB]

Collars were very durable - far more than dies and many other parts. But when they cracked or broke, they immediately fell apart. Therefore, the box of junk you saw. This stuff was usually sold to steel scrap dealers although counterfeiters might have bought them to copy authentic reeding.

[Albannach]

Until they clash with dies…
Then “bad” things tend to happen.