1921-S VAM-1BJ2 or something else?

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1921-S VAM-1BJ2 or something else?

Post by ChrisPaulis » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:39 pm

This coin has the distinctive markers of the dot between DO and the gouge right of the wreath bow, but in many other ways it differs from the VW photos and has a strange curving line at the neck-chin gap. The scribbles in the eagle's tail are distinctively different. Is this a different VAM? I don't see any other with the DO dot.
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Re: 1921-S VAM-1BJ2 or something else?

Post by DHalladay » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:48 pm

It's definitely a 1BJ-something in my opinion. But without the heavy die file lines shown on the attribution page I don't see how this can be a 1BJ2:
http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... S_VAM-1BJ2

That leaves 1BJ and 1BJ3. Does you coin have die files lines at PLURIBUS? If not, I'd have to go with 1BJ3.
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Re: 1921-S VAM-1BJ2 or something else?

Post by ChrisPaulis » Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:59 pm

Sure enough. It's 1BJ3. No die file lines and has the diagonal lines in LIBERTY. Do you think the curving line at the chin/neck is a strikethrough?
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Re: 1921-S VAM-1BJ2 or something else?

Post by DHalladay » Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:21 pm

ChrisPaulis wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:59 pm
Sure enough. It's 1BJ3. No die file lines and has the diagonal lines in LIBERTY. Do you think the curving line at the chin/neck is a strikethrough?
Yes, strike-through was my first reaction.
And immediately below the bottom right of your red circle I see evidence of a very old clash line at the neck. I'll bet there is also a faint vertical line coming up from the top of the eagle's right wing toward the N in IN. My 1BJ3 has all of the features you have shown (except the strike-though), BTW.

Here's a shot of the scribbles:
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Re: 1921-S VAM-1BJ2 or something else?

Post by ChrisPaulis » Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:39 pm

Here's the area between the right wing and the n... Is this what you refer to?
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Re: 1921-S VAM-1BJ2 or something else?

Post by DHalladay » Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:44 pm

That's it.
Your coin is a later die state than mine, because it has weaker neck and wing clashes. Yours does also have a filled-G, like mine:
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Re: 1921-S VAM-1BJ2 or something else?

Post by ChrisPaulis » Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:51 pm

Good to know. Thanks!
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