1890S with Die Break through Right Star in Reverse

[Inspector7127]

I have about 100 Morgan Dollars that my wife inherited from her Grandfather about 20 years ago. Just went through them during Covid quickly and didn't notice this 1890S that has a die break through the right reverse star that does not match up with any of the VAM listing for coin. Has anyone seen this before? I have attached photos of the reverse. I believe this is a near date but can't find any reference to the die break from the rim, through the star to the wreath.

[lhnumis1]

It appears from the images below that the subject coin may be a 'normal left', rather than a 'near' date. In addition, it seems that the mint mark is upright, centered and just in contact with the 'low' threshold. Check too, for a doubled mintmark.

Trust these thoughts may prove to be of some help.

SRS (lhnumis1)

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[Inspector7127]

Ihnumuis1

Thank you for the quick reply. I took your advise and looked over the near date and normal date views and my Morgan doesn't match up with any of the S/S phots - left, right or down. Mine looks like it may have some mechanical doubling on the top, but I can see nothing that would put it at an S/S.
I have added a close up of the Mint Mark and of the die break through the right star that does not match up wiyj any of the VAMs listed. Could this be a new classification?

[Albannach]

Compare it to the VAM 1 B page photos and plates.

Cracks @United States look right.

and

No I don't see the Star break, but I bet one of the guys who like this date can help direct you better locate the Marriage, if listed.

You should be able to compare the crack pattern. Go Listing by listing. Don't rely on the sort list alone....as you shall see.
Good Luck

[vampicker]

Looks like a piece of glue. Have you tried poking it with a stick?

To be clear, I'm referring to the apparent break on the star.

[fogie]

I believe what you have is the 1890-S VAM-1i die pair #1. Yours is a somewhat later die state than I have but mine does have the star die break - yours shows much better than mine (story of my life..). You should have die breaks on both wings and the "In" similar to the photo below;

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[fogie]

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[fogie]

P.S. The "doubling" on you mintmark is strike doubling (a striking artifact) rather than actual die doubling. The data on your coin is at the bottom of the 1890-S VAM-1i page (die pair # 1)... (Nice coin by the way). IF it has a displaced field due to the break it may qualify for a new designation but you should include an example both with the crack (like you have) and one without (or so faint no one notices it (like mine)) so @messydesk can see the difference and make an informed decision. We are trying not to list things that are already listed!

[vampicker]

No need to poke it with a stick then!

[Inspector7127]

vampicker

The die break is not glue. I tried the toothpick trick and it is still there. The photos I have taken do not show the extent of the die break past the star. I have a second photo take that shows more (attached) and one I have marked the extent of the die breaks in red. See if that helps. The larger red areas are die chips.

Thanks for the help.

[Inspector7127]

fogie

I thank you for the direction to look. The VAM-1i has a few of the die breaks that my coin has - namely through both wing tips, but that is where mine stops. The die break you show for that VAM in IN does not show on mine, nor does the die break in the I of AMERICA. Also there is just a few die breaks in the wreath above the star. I am still at a loss on what VAM I can attribute this to. My coin seems to be an EF-45 or and AU-50 grade and it is easy to see that die break. The photos I have taken do not show them clearly.

Here are a couple more.

All the help is greatly appreciated.

[Inspector7127]

Sorry, the one of the IN did not attach.

[keilg1]

What a lovely and messed up year and mint - love the mixture of die breaks available. I'm interested if this one pans out to be a new pattern/variety. I piced up a nice VAM-30 with a massive RI(CA) and left wing break...

Cool coin(s) you (two) have!

[tmanhg]

This coin is not the VAM 1i. I have looked at all my coins and I cannot match it.
Vam 1i is eerily similar nut not the same die cracks.

One of the Johns needs to look at it.

[Inspector7127]

Thanks again for all the help.

Brief history on this. My wife's Grandfather migrated here from Malta just after the WWII. He started putting away silver dollars and when my wife inherited his collection some 20 years ago, there was 102 Morgan and Peace dollars. During the lock down for Covid, I quickly looked through them. He put these away long before there was even a thought about errors or verities, I doubt he even looked closely at them. He had two 1878 7/4, 1- 1878 8 tf, and what turned out to be 1878 VAM-41C. There was also a 1886 VAM-1C 3 +2 Clashed reverse, and now this one. I still have about 30 left to put under the microscope.

[UNCLE BINGO]

This coin is not the VAM 1i. I have looked at all my coins and I cannot match it.
Vam 1i is eerily similar nut not the same die cracks.

One of the Johns needs to look at it.

That sounds like a pretty good chance at a possible new listing from where I am standing .awesome!!!!Good luck !

[fogie]

Please note that there are currently 2 coins known as 1890-S VAM-1i (VAM-1i1 & VAM1i2). The "additional photos" VAMworld page features them in (what I would call) reverse order. VAM-1i1 is at the bottom of the page after the VAM-1i2. You do not have the VAM-1i2.

[UNCLE BINGO]

I can see both sides of this really and am no umpire ,,, I was just trying to be positive, Its kind of a way neat coin for the break fans among us ...I did not make it very far looking for this one , I got trapped in the VNA link that still kinda works and was staring at a reverse of v12 Die 1 and decided I was just looking at toning and maybe not an EDS of anything because the date did not match.

[Inspector7127]

Thank you so much for all of your input about my Morgan. I have ben going through all of your suggestions and i am still at a loss. Some indicators of VAM 1i! and 1i2 seem to match, but not all. There is no where the die break at the right star in shown other then the photo the that fogie posted of his 1890S. Where do I go next. I am really new at this site and do not know the procedures.

[UNCLE BINGO]

P.S. The "doubling" on you mintmark is strike doubling (a striking artifact) rather than actual die doubling. The data on your coin is at the bottom of the 1890-S VAM-1i page (die pair # 1)... (Nice coin by the way). IF it has a displaced field due to the break it may qualify for a new designation but you should include an example both with the crack (like you have) and one without (or so faint no one notices it (like mine)) so @messydesk can see the difference and make an informed decision. We are trying not to list things that are already listed!

Rock and a hard place

If fogie has said this , there is a pretty good chance it is spot on ....`Your coin is pretty cool , but I cannot say if the break at the star is worthy or not ... only two guys among us make those calls .
I;d give it an honorable mention at the very least , however that information and $2.99 will still buy a cheap cup of coffee in this new woke age .