1921 VAM-1BD Photos

[ChrisPaulis]

Today, with much digging and missing, I finally identified this coin, but found that there is no photo of the die marker -- the 5 curved scratches above the N in ONE. I also found several other marks that may distinguish this coin. If I had access, I would try to add these to the vamworld listing, but perhaps someone else can? @DHalladay @messydesk

[weth]

Nice photos, but I think this is a VAM 43 not VAM 1BD.

[ChrisPaulis]

@weth could you elaborate and share evidence?

[ChrisPaulis]

@messydesk and @DHalladay, please weigh in on this.

[weth]

Regarding the last photo you posted, don't pay too much attention to that formation. That array of dots over the N was in one of the D1 reverse master dies, so it is seen in several working dies. Not unique to one VAM.

[DHalladay]

Going from memory here... there are around 70 different D1 1921-P VAMs that have either 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 of those little dashes. Like Weth said, just ignore them. (Ditto for the little diagonal dash under the base of the 2nd T in trust.)

[weth]

@weth could you elaborate and share evidence?

Well, I'm looking at my VSS-attributed VAM 1BD example and thinking that your photos don't match it, and also looking at my VSS-attributed VAM 43 example and finding that they agree.

So if I'm wrong, I blame messydesk.

[DHalladay]

Looks like VAM 43 to me too.

Also, the short horizontal scratch/gouge under the right ribbon seems to be on ALL D1 reverse coins, so it was perhaps an "oops" that happened to the master die.

[ChrisPaulis]

Thanks, @weth and @DHalladay. Should the listings in vamworld call something a die marker when it doesn't distinguish a VAM from others? Or is it just that, a marker for multiple dies? The challenge for me is that VAM-43 gives no photographic help. Can you post photos of PUPs from your coin?

[DHalladay]

In answer is, of course those situation should be fixed/deleted.

The difficulty is if LVA called something a die marker in his official description, because correcting it has to be done by either LVA, @messydesk and/or @vampicker .

For years those 5 little dashes were the key PUP for 1BD for LVA because they're what he noticed when the original discovery coin -- which I now own -- was submitted. It was several years ago that @ljs123 and I put together a list of dozens of D1 reverse VAMs that had at least one of the dashes and told him about it. The official description for 1BD may have been updated in one of the annual supplements that followed, but I don't know because I don't get them.

I agree with you that the die marker statement in the official description for 1BD as it currently appears on VAMworld is wrong and should be removed.

[vampicker]

VAM 43 has a distinctive pattern of scribble scratches that are pictured in the guide. The plates were shot from the discovery piece. When they (Van Allen and Morton) were working on the guide, I sent all of my applicable discovery or revision pieces back for inclusion. Here's a shot of the scribbles from the VAM 43 discovery piece.

[Geseas]

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I agree VAM-43. I will attempt to add these photos to the page*. If that is agreeable.
A true test of my limited scribble & Wiki ability. Pages seem very easily reversed to what they were before.

I think the work done on pages by the members here also serves as great templates with respect to LVA efforts.

*I was planning on adding http://www.vamworld.com/forum/download/ ... p?id=39695 to the page; http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... 1-P_VAM-43

I was unable to locate a 1921-P VAM-43 scribbles photo in the scribbles guide...I guess that is where you should begin?