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Please help: crazy doubling (?) on 1879-O

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:55 pm
by DHalladay
Is this doubling on this 1879-O?
It's only on TES and OF, and at the outer tip of the eagle's left wing – and only the S shows it across the full height of the letter. The stuff on the top of the O is extra strange because it's oblong, and it's not of uniform width above any of the letters.

Any suggestions about that caused it?
Any thoughts about the VAM number?

Any thoughts @messydesk and @vampicker ?
Thanks in advance for any help! :D

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Re: Crazy doubling (?) on 1879-O

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:22 am
by fogie
a 79-O - from you???? (Perhaps Longacre doubling??)

Re: Please help: crazy doubling (?) on 1879-O

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 2:21 pm
by DHalladay
Still looking for some insight into what is going on with this coin.

Re: Please help: crazy doubling (?) on 1879-O

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:46 pm
by vampicker
It looks pushed and shelf like, so I'd guess this is a form of strike doubling. I'd think this one happened during ejection.

I don't recognize the big gouge in the wing off the top of my head

Re: Please help: crazy doubling (?) on 1879-O

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:08 am
by UNCLE BINGO
Hello Mr. D Im gonna need more of your most excellent pictures if you would like my best guess at the correct VAM number on this one sir ???????

Re: Please help: crazy doubling (?) on 1879-O

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:46 pm
by DHalladay
UNCLE BINGO wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:08 am
Hello Mr. D Im gonna need more of your most excellent pictures if you would like my best guess at the correct VAM number on this one sir ???????
What part(s) of the coin would you like to see?

Re: Please help: crazy doubling (?) on 1879-O

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 5:33 pm
by UNCLE BINGO
Heck any possible pups or die markers . I just like looking at your pictures. :popcorn:

Re: Please help: crazy doubling (?) on 1879-O

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:06 pm
by DHalladay
I figured showing the date and the mint mark positions would be a start to whatever VAM it is. The diagonal gouge between the left wing and body was the only thing I noticed while taking a semi-slow look. I'll try again (pretending it's a 1921-P) and see if I can find anything else.

Re: Please help: crazy doubling (?) on 1879-O

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:19 pm
by DHalladay
Here is everything I could find... and it isn't much:

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Re: Please help: crazy doubling (?) on 1879-O

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:20 pm
by DHalladay
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Re: Please help: crazy doubling (?) on 1879-O

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:32 am
by UNCLE BINGO
VERY VERY Sweet pictures !!!!
My apologizes , As I find myself having to work on a Saturday..... Tomorrow , So not much time to sit and split screen . I will though if your puzzle does NOT get a solve >>>> Like JR I have no idea's about your doubling or your gouge /scratch thingie off the top of my head but I'll bet someone can VAMMIT now :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Re: Please help: crazy doubling (?) on 1879-O

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 1:54 pm
by keilg1
Agree with the very very sweet pictures comment... How DO you get your lighting like this? I've tried a lot with my (multiple) digital scope(s) but can't get the quality you've captured.

Wowzers...

Re: Please help: crazy doubling (?) on 1879-O

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:22 pm
by DHalladay
My lighting setup is stupid: a single goose neck lamp about 95% of the time; the other 5% is two lamps. I think the DSLR format has a lot to do with how lighting is captured, plus I'm shooting HUGE (roughly 30 MBs each) raw files that can be "tweaked" in MANY ways in Photoshop to help make desired features become more clear. My limited experience seeing images taken with digital scopes is the files they take are much too small and the lighting & contrast tend to be very flat.


My hair-D area seems to match VAM 39/39A, but nothing else about the coin supports the 39/39A attribution.

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Re: Please help: crazy doubling (?) on 1879-O

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:23 pm
by UNCLE BINGO
Obverse appears to me to match V 37 . The RTY and the lines in her hair . It has the gouge on the reverse as well sir . What do you think ?

Re: Please help: crazy doubling (?) on 1879-O

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:10 pm
by DHalladay
Yes indeed!
After checking the VAM 37 page, it's clear we have a match.
Thank you! :D

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