1897 unk mm The Silver Dollar Man encased. Anyone recognize these polish lines?

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1897 unk mm The Silver Dollar Man encased. Anyone recognize these polish lines?

Post by Jodemyer » Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:08 pm

I won this encased (in plastic or bakelite) Morgan at my local auction and have been researching it. Since it says protected by patent and registration I have been searching the patent office for "The silver dollar man" program. I came up with a Margaret Perrott linked to the Dr Pepper Company but not sure. I also came up with a Robert Perrott in a census who's business was bottling plants. Anyway, I was hoping someone may recognize these polish lines on the obverse because, well you all know, I would like to get in the ballpark of the vam! lol I know I need both sides but maybe I can get an idea.
I have looked through P,S and O a few times now and came up short without having access to the reverse. I did find another one on NGC I will post the link. Thanks in advance for any info or help!

https://coins.www.collectors-society.co ... x?sc=17914
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Re: 1897 unk mm The Silver Dollar Man encased. Anyone recognize these polish lines?

Post by Jodemyer » Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:12 pm

A few more pics.
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Re: 1897 unk mm The Silver Dollar Man encased. Anyone recognize these polish lines?

Post by Jodemyer » Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:50 pm

Heres the date.
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Re: 1897 unk mm The Silver Dollar Man encased. Anyone recognize these polish lines?

Post by blaircountycoin » Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:51 am

Did you look close at VAM 3?

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Post by Jodemyer » Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:32 pm

Thanks! @blaircountycoin I could not get any of the file/polish lines or doubling to match from 97-P or S V-3's, I also looked at 97-s 16. The 97-O v-3 file/polish lines on Liberty are similar in a few places but the date placement is wrong. They shoulda put a small door to open to see the reverse! haha I was hoping the I in Liberty would stand out to someone it seems very distinct with those vertical file marks.
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Re: 1897 unk mm The Silver Dollar Man encased. Anyone recognize these polish lines?

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:22 pm

It's a silver dollar man ! It says so right on the label :😆🤣😂:........I think I have seen one possibility ,but will have to look this weekend... that DPIS
Narrows it down to just a few numbers
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Post by Jodemyer » Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:26 pm

Thanks! @UNCLE BINGO
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Post by keilg1 » Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:40 pm

What a great puzzle to solve. I'm on vacation now so not a lot of spare time to help but I will when I can.

One big PITA though: even if you can nail down a possible reverese you can't truly VAM it without nailing down the reverse, too...

Who knows, you could own the ONLY surviving 1897-CC coin...

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Post by Jodemyer » Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:55 pm

Thanks! @keilg1 yes very true as to the obverse and reverse needed, but there are so few from each MM that if I could nail the obverse I would be happy and would stop trying to figure out a way of peeking at reverse! (without destroying the novelty of it.) :lol: Then I can resume trying to figure who Mr Perrott was. Why? I really dont know other than the puzzle and not knowing is all I can reference. And I do love the history/story of things.
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Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:34 am

This is like VAMMIT on steroids :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Jodemyer » Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:44 pm

@UNCLE BINGO :lol: :lol:
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Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:56 pm

Sorry to get hopes up , Not a match on my end .I was going from memory ....
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Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:02 pm

I guess you could always pay to have it x- rayed :popcorn:Or something ???? Tiny GPR , surely something can see through paper in this day and age
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Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:18 pm

Not a match number 2 .... This bothers me because I have seen that lips/ nose combo before , maybe its a flaw in something besides a working die and it just shows up?????? Guess I would have to ask the keepers of knowledge instead of just guessing :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: HINT HINT
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Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:32 pm

Someone else's turn I am running out of 97's that have any kind PUP's not covered in gunk . Maybe make a list of all exact date placements through out the 3 mints ... then start comparing notes against the short list .... guy was probably Ross Perot grand father, But the family had to change the spelling of their last name after encapsulating coins in carbonite :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Jodemyer » Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:10 pm

Thanks!! @UNCLE BINGO I really appreciate you trying! I have looked over all three mints several times just no pics that match the parts of the obverse I need! oh well lol Thanks again!! I will hafta start collecting this date until I find a match! :lol: :lol: May take awhile!
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Post by SilverToken » Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:08 am

My Beautiful Wife has amazing sleuthing skills.

Your 1897 "Silver Token" evidently has to do with an old internet system known as "Radio" that was fueled by Double Cola!

The Greenville News (Greenville, South Carolina) · Fri, Jun 18, 1954 · Page 19

Hope this helps your quest
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Post by Jodemyer » Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:34 am

Thankyou!! Thats awesome!!@SilverToken and Mrs SilverToken! She is definitely a sleuth!! That is interesting and definitely helps!! I really appreciate it!! I had searched the "Silver Dollar Man" copyright and came up with Margaret Perrott tied to Dr Pepper with several copyrights such as "Be a pepper" etc. But then stumped- I am not sure how to see what they actually are or how she is tied to Mr. Perrott.
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Post by Jodemyer » Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:49 am

And just found this from 1952. So theres the Dr Pepper Link! So it looks like people sent in thier ideas for slogans for Dr Pepper, and the different winners were announced over different radio programs and they recieved silver dollars. Maybe that explains the copyrights on the different Dr Pepper slogans linked to Mrs Margaret Perrott! Maybe they came from this Silver Dollar Man program.
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Post by SilverToken » Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:01 am

And just how many did the Perrott's Buy? 1$ in 1954 = $11.54 today... and these awards were morphed into 1985 100 Year that can always be found on the bay!
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