Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 1881-S VAM-?? with Pitted Obverse + Polished Hair...

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Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 1881-S VAM-?? with Pitted Obverse + Polished Hair...

Post by TheYokel » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:13 am

Ok so I'm making this thread as a catch-all for the coins I'll be asking (dumb) questions about. I want to avoid spamming the page with topics on phantom markings and bad photos... And now you will be able to avoid said (dumb) questions and bad photos by knowing which thread to avoid (or help on occasion, preferably).

I'll post (dumb) things I find with coins. You shoot me down. I'll change the topic name to the current coin I'm looking at. If there's ever a consensus something might need more eyes, then and only then will i make a separate thread on it (unless it's something like a 1a1 that is just eye candy and no confusion)...

It's very hard to learn by myself without posting for advice (as you can tell by my "observations"). It might be a huge cluster of bad coins and confusion... But at least it will be contained in one thread...

Hopefully before long, I will wrap my head around this all a little better, and this thread won't be needed. Until then I just want to avoid forcing members to see new posts (aside from this one) and having people agitated at me for (dumb) observations. I want to learn, not burn bridges. Hopefully this is a step in the right direction...

Now down the rabbit hole...

So to start off the (dumb) observations:
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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 87-P VAM-12 with E...?

Post by TheYokel » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:14 am

1887-P VAM-12? with E?...
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Yes, i know it's about a 2 millimeters off from where you see a 1B. But i was also told to stop using a loupe to look for E's... That if they are there, you will see them by eye...

I saw that one...

Yes, i know it's missing the common clash marks you'd see with a transfer like this. No bat wing, no neck clash, no lip kiss in the wreath...

And yes... I know this question/coin might be asinine... I warned you with the title.

Laugh at me... Taunt me with VAM numbers... Tell me I'm an idiot for missing something...

...just don't get mad at me for what I post starting out. I'm trying over here. It might not seem like it right now... But i am. I'm apparently just hard to teach or duller than a Styrofoam brick... (the answer is both)...

Any guidance is appreciated...

-Ant
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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 87-P VAM-12 with E...?

Post by tmanhg » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:43 pm

Not a VAM 12. The reason it is not is very obvious. How can you have a clashed "E" when the coin is not even clashed.

Good luck.

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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 87-P VAM-12 with E...?

Post by TheYokel » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:55 pm

tmanhg wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:43 pm
Not a VAM 12. The reason it is not is very obvious. How can you have a clashed "E" when the coin is not even clashed.

Good luck.
VAM-4?

The coin is a near date with a shifted LIBERTY... I'll have to check the nose later...

Edit: i take it the line in the eye is an unfortunate mark that mimics the 12? I've never actually held one to know.

The E: never made a claim for how... Just showing pictures of what's on there. That's why i included the wide non-zoomed shot. :)

Edit edit: the shifting looks similar on the VAM-4, but it doesn't show the diagonal lines in LIBERTY that mine has in the listing photo... Does anyone have a VAM-4 in person to check if theirs has the lines present... I'm assuming they just don't show in the VW shots?...

Edit x3: Nevermind... VAM-4 has gouges behind the B in LIBERTY in the VW shots that mine doesn't have. Back to searching for near dates... =/
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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 87-P Near Date with E...?

Post by TheYokel » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:07 pm

Near Dates:

3: In don't notice the wing gouge but will check again.

4: gouges in VW shots in B in LIB not on my coin?...

5: i don't *think* there's any doubling in my date...

14: Die #4 has polishing lines in the bow, but I'm pretty sure (aka not sure at all) that they don't match mine.

18: I didn't see doubled stars when I looked... But that doesn't mean anything after the last coin...

20: i own another VAM-20 Pinned Eagle and looked at the wing. Didn't have the same gouge noticeable, but will second check when I get home...

24: did not see the gouges in the wing or leg...

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Edit: Scratch the scratch idea. Different leaves on closer inspection...
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Maybe someone else might recognize it... Back to Date hunting...
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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 87-P Near Date with E...?

Post by TheYokel » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:02 pm

VAM-10 might looks good, but the polishing lines in the bow look slightly different... And it looks like the date is further right than mine?... Need to look closer... But it's the closest LIBERTY I can find so far.

Edit... 14 D1 looks promising...
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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 87-P Near Date with E...?

Post by RMG1883CC » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:13 pm

How about NOT posting ANY Coins and watch and learn for a Month or TWO THEN get back to posting. SEE how Others handle things. Mentioned this a few times,,,,,,,try it.

You are developing BAD habits - Never have seen threads like yours

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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 87-P Near Date with E...?

Post by TheYokel » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:56 pm

RMG1883CC wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:13 pm
How about NOT posting ANY Coins and watch and learn for a Month or TWO THEN get back to posting. SEE how Others handle things. Mentioned this a few times,,,,,,,try it.

You are developing BAD habits - Never have seen threads like yours
Feel free to point it out and call me an idiot... I started with the date being left of the second denticle, and have been showing in basically real-time how I go about looking for markers from the listings. If you see anything wrong in the order I'm doing anything, now is the perfect time to help correct my course...

After the date... What would be the next step you would recommend? I might get the markers wrong, but I at least want to be doing things wrong in the correct order. :)

Thank you for the response...

-Ant
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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 87-P VAM-14 Die 1? with E...?

Post by Vam-mysterio » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:13 pm

Can you post more clear pictures of the lines inside bow
And lines inside liberty
Also a close up of those cracks i see on reverse
Thanks

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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 87-P VAM-14 Die 1? with E...?

Post by TheYokel » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:07 pm

Vam-mysterio wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:13 pm
Can you post more clear pictures of the lines inside bow
And lines inside liberty
Also a close up of those cracks i see on reverse
Thanks
Yessir boss, of course...
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I had been looking at 14D1 for the similarities in LIBERTY and 14D4 for the similarities in the bow... But neither seem to be quite right, And i don't see the cracks in 14D1 that you pointed out..

Edit: that long polishing line below the bow on the left side of the ribbon... That's *got* to be something that can be matched up...
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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 87-P VAM-14 Die 1? with E...?

Post by tmanhg » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:20 pm

Ant, here is a hint, you already have a later die state of this coin.

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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 87-P VAM-14 Die 1? with E...?

Post by TheYokel » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:33 pm

tmanhg wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:20 pm
Ant, here is a hint, you already have a later die state of this coin.
Jesus and i even specifically looked for this thing...
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It's a lot fainter than on my other coin and almost blends into the wing...

... Sorry :(

Edit: seriously... This is my other VAM-3A...
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Again. My apologies... I didn't know there would be that much of a difference to look for. My mistake for missing it earlier on the first inspection...
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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 87-P VAM-3 with E...?

Post by tmanhg » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:46 pm

EUREKA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Took you all day to find this. You are getting better.

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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 87-P VAM-3 with E...?

Post by TheYokel » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:52 pm

tmanhg wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:46 pm
EUREKA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Took you all day to find this. You are getting better.
Lol thank you. I honestly feel bad i didn't see it earlier. It was one of the first things i looked at >.<

So about that E though?... :?

You don't see it?...
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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 87-P VAM-3 with E...?

Post by tmanhg » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:19 pm

There is no EEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it would defy the laws of physics.

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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: 87-P VAM-3 with E...?

Post by TheYokel » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:22 am

tmanhg wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:19 pm
There is no EEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it would defy the laws of physics.
I notice you didn't say you didn't see it :?

Lol... ;)

Ok so while we are learning to use Date Cracks... I think I finally figured out my 1922 peace dollar I've been staring at for a couple days. I think you showed me enough for this one...

PCGS MS63 1922 VAM-1A...
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If i got this right... I know I'm at least gasping some of what you tell me...

...and i owe myself a beer if I'm right... :ugeek:
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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: Peace MS63 1922 VAM-1A...?

Post by ljs123 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:31 am

...and i owe myself a beer if I'm right...
Put a hold on the beer :(

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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: Peace MS63 1922 VAM-1A...?

Post by ljs123 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:32 am

Does not match the 1A reverse ray doubling.
Does not match 1A obverse crack.
No 1A line in Tiara.

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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: Peace MS63 1922 VAM-1A...?

Post by TheYokel » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:54 am

ljs123 wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:31 am
...and i owe myself a beer if I'm right...
Put a hold on the beer :(
$#!% i was working hard on that crack (giggity)..

Edit... Gimme a while on this one. Peace Dollars only give you very few details to match up. This will be good exercise.

1AA follows the path over the 1 from the single picture you get on the VW listing... Hmmm.
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Re: Ant's Looney Bin... Current Coin: Peace MS63 1922 VAM-1AA...?

Post by ljs123 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:10 am

Ant,
Not 1AA for a few reasons.
Most importantly for the same reason as not 1A, at least in my opinion.
Hopefully a Peace dollar VAMmer will correct me if I am wrong.
Please read the 1922 listing page. Please read about B1 and B2 reverses. Take a close up of the reverse mountains and post here. Then you tell us if you have a B1 or B2 reverse.

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