1886-P Doubled Date-Pegleg on 2nd 8, clash Help please

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1886-P Doubled Date-Pegleg on 2nd 8, clash Help please

Post by Mike7E » Mon May 01, 2023 2:43 pm

Been trough the listing several times. Can’t find exact doubled date or die break that puts pegleg on the bottom of the second 8. Clash on reverse goes to at least midpoint of right side of the n, so obverse letters may be there but metal flow along neck is convoluted. Reverse die cracks on VAM-19 are evil mimics that show differences upon close comparison plus the date and clash position are different. Die cracks at date of VAM-17 similar but not exact, the digits are not doubled and its arrow feathers are doubled at the bottom while the one in this posting is doubled at the top. Other close ones are VAM-3A /3B, but the clash sequence is off as is the date position. All help appreciated.
a 1886-P Date LH3_RE4 A247 - 20230425_163552.jpg
a 1886-P Date LH3_RE4 A247 - 20230425_163552.jpg (215.76 KiB) Viewed 578 times
Normal date position LH3;RE4 Die cracks under date, and from denticle to bust to 1
b 1886-P 1 A252 - 20230425_193316.jpg
b 1886-P 1 A252 - 20230425_193316.jpg (182.25 KiB) Viewed 578 times
1 doubled top left and under top crossbar, left vertical shaft, lightly under bottom crossbar and surface doubling top right vertical shaft.
c 1886-P first 8 A253 - 20230425_193331.jpg
c 1886-P first 8 A253 - 20230425_193331.jpg (217.58 KiB) Viewed 578 times
First 8 Doubled lower outsides both loops, tripled left & right inside both loops.
d 1886-P 2nd 8 Pegleg  A254 - 20230425_193359.jpg
d 1886-P 2nd 8 Pegleg A254 - 20230425_193359.jpg (213.84 KiB) Viewed 578 times
Second 8 Doubled lower outsides both loops, tripled left and right inside both loops. Die cracks rim to bottom left and right of lower loop with pegleg projections.
e 1896-P 6 A255 - 20230425_193424.jpg
e 1896-P 6 A255 - 20230425_193424.jpg (219.99 KiB) Viewed 578 times
6 Doubling from mid left outside left around to 3 o’clock lower loop. Tripling left inside both loops.

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Re: 1886-P Doubled Date-Pegleg on 2nd 8, clash Help please

Post by Mike7E » Mon May 01, 2023 2:47 pm

e 1886-P diebreaks date A423 - 20230430_115204.jpg
e 1886-P diebreaks date A423 - 20230430_115204.jpg (102.51 KiB) Viewed 577 times
Die cracks under date
fb 1886-P Dbl RI A249 - 20230425_163629.jpg
fb 1886-P Dbl RI A249 - 20230425_163629.jpg (204.08 KiB) Viewed 577 times
Slight doubling E PLURIBUS UNUM Heaviest on RI
f e1886-P BERTY A253 - 20230425_163659.jpg
f e1886-P BERTY A253 - 20230425_163659.jpg (219.33 KiB) Viewed 577 times
fa 1886-P RTY A246 - 20230425_174438.jpg
fa 1886-P RTY A246 - 20230425_174438.jpg (207.44 KiB) Viewed 577 times
Die scratch under ERTY several under T
g 1886-P 3rd rt star broken A247 - 20230425_174607.jpg
g 1886-P 3rd rt star broken A247 - 20230425_174607.jpg (211 KiB) Viewed 577 times
3rd star right broken towards rim
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Re: 1886-P Doubled Date-Pegleg on 2nd 8, clash Help please

Post by Mike7E » Mon May 01, 2023 3:05 pm

h 1886-P broken initial A218 - 20230424_203242.jpg
h 1886-P broken initial A218 - 20230424_203242.jpg (175.02 KiB) Viewed 573 times
Designer’s initial broken right side
i 1886-P line front of Eye A239 - 20230425_164257.jpg
i 1886-P line front of Eye A239 - 20230425_164257.jpg (194.89 KiB) Viewed 573 times
Line in front of eye, looks like tarnish at first but die crack can be seen starting at top
j 1886-P neck clash A449 - 20230429_180135.jpg
j 1886-P neck clash A449 - 20230429_180135.jpg (194.91 KiB) Viewed 573 times
Clash at neck – metal flow here makes it nearly impossible to see if there is letter transfer, line there looks too fat. Lee could you look please. I don’t see letter transfer but you’ve seen more of these than I ha@ljs123
ja1886-P Hair Vee A441 - 20230429_102151.jpg
ja1886-P Hair Vee A441 - 20230429_102151.jpg (217.99 KiB) Viewed 573 times
Hair Vee
Ear and hair D don’t have much going on.
Rev:
k 1886-P Rev Ckasg wing A243 - 20230425_163247.jpg
k 1886-P Rev Ckasg wing A243 - 20230425_163247.jpg (211.32 KiB) Viewed 573 times
Clash right wing up to right side of n near middle. Also between left wing and top wreath cluster but too hard to get a good pic.
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Re: 1886-P Doubled Date-Pegleg on 2nd 8, clash Help please

Post by Mike7E » Mon May 01, 2023 3:10 pm

l 1886-P Dbl arrows A443 - 20230429_174446.jpg
l 1886-P Dbl arrows A443 - 20230429_174446.jpg (202.34 KiB) Viewed 572 times
Doubled top of arrowheads and shafts
m 1886-P Arrow feathers A434 - 20230429_094202.jpg
m 1886-P Arrow feathers A434 - 20230429_094202.jpg (199.77 KiB) Viewed 572 times
n 1886-P olive leaves A425 - 20230430_123852.jpg
n 1886-P olive leaves A425 - 20230430_123852.jpg (205.25 KiB) Viewed 572 times
Doubled top of arrow feather and olive leaves
o 1886-P dble ru_deteriorated r A251 - 20230425_174943.jpg
o 1886-P dble ru_deteriorated r A251 - 20230425_174943.jpg (213.2 KiB) Viewed 572 times
Doubling and some tripling In God we trust, broken r (or took a hit)
p 1886-P diebreak STATESA446 - 20230429_175144.jpg
p 1886-P diebreak STATESA446 - 20230429_175144.jpg (188.2 KiB) Viewed 572 times
Die cracks above STATES, OF (differs from the VAM-19) across wing to bottoms of AMER,
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Re: 1886-P Doubled Date-Pegleg on 2nd 8, clash Help please

Post by Mike7E » Mon May 01, 2023 3:12 pm

q 1886-P diebreak mid RIC A244 - 20230425_163401.jpg
q 1886-P diebreak mid RIC A244 - 20230425_163401.jpg (216.88 KiB) Viewed 571 times
Additional die crack across top of MER, mid crack RIC, and high crack C to A.
qq 1886-P diebreak rim-star-O A429 - 20230430_111957.jpg
qq 1886-P diebreak rim-star-O A429 - 20230430_111957.jpg (155.96 KiB) Viewed 571 times
Crack rim to left star (star slightly doubled bottom) then to ON.
r 1886-P wing gap A224 - 20230424_203822.jpg
r 1886-P wing gap A224 - 20230424_203822.jpg (190.26 KiB) Viewed 571 times
Minor lines in wing gap, doubled left wing edge
s 1886-P Wreath A437 - 20230429_094413.jpg
s 1886-P Wreath A437 - 20230429_094413.jpg (202.96 KiB) Viewed 571 times
Minor lines in wreath bow, bow doubled at top and tripled right side
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Re: 1886-P Doubled Date-Pegleg on 2nd 8, clash Help please

Post by alefzero » Mon May 01, 2023 3:37 pm

I forget which one that looks like, maybe VAM-25.

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Re: 1886-P Doubled Date-Pegleg on 2nd 8, clash Help please

Post by Mike7E » Mon May 01, 2023 4:00 pm

FCPs
1886-P Double Date Pegleg 8 rev IMG_2417.jpg
1886-P Double Date Pegleg 8 rev IMG_2417.jpg (187.18 KiB) Viewed 557 times
1886-P Double Date Pegleg 8 IMG_2415.jpg
1886-P Double Date Pegleg 8 IMG_2415.jpg (171.28 KiB) Viewed 557 times

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Re: 1886-P Doubled Date-Pegleg on 2nd 8, clash Help please

Post by Mike7E » Mon May 01, 2023 4:09 pm

@alefzero Thanks for looking. VAM-25 has mark at top inside of 6 that is different, and die scratches in the ear. The reverse clash is about the same spot but not as strong.

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Re: 1886-P Doubled Date-Pegleg on 2nd 8, clash Help please

Post by Albannach » Mon May 01, 2023 5:04 pm

Those are cracks not breaks
Secondary markers should not be considered unless listed in the description
I see MDD obv and rev

I do see slight sibling inner loop top 6

Multiple dies may exist…

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