1921 Peace pattern silver coated copper, looking for info

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coinnoob7
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1921 Peace pattern silver coated copper, looking for info

Post by coinnoob7 » Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:09 pm

I saw this listed in the Judd book and was wondering if there is any more info about it anywhere. I'm curious if they coated the planchet then struck it or struck a copper planchet then coated it with silver. Also, what was the purpose in doing this instead of using silver? I see the Philadelphia mint made the 25g 37mm 5 Bolivar 90% silver coins for Venezuela in 1921 (but not 1922). I take it production of those had finished earlier in the year and there were no planchets at hand? But then again they did copper die trials of Morgans and gold coins. Why not use the same metal as intended for the coin? Was it just the expense of the bullion value (a dollar was a lot back then)? Were there copper die trials of Ike dollars?

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Re: 1921 Peace pattern silver coated copper, looking for info

Post by alefzero » Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:58 pm

Do you have a Judd number for it? I do not recall Peace patterns. There was a 1921 Morgan pattern struck in nickel.

As for whether such an item would be plated before or after, it would almost certainly have been after. I sent a gold-plated O/S Morgan to Daniel Carr for his Moonlight Mint Open House annual overstriking in 2019. It split the plating here and there. If they did so, it would probably have been afterward to demonstrate the appearance of a production piece in silver. But a Judd or Pollack number would be useful for the discussion (or a page number even).

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Re: 1921 Peace pattern silver coated copper, looking for info

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:02 pm

I have read something about a couple Morgan dollars being struck on aluminum before . But have not researched the subject
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Re: 1921 Peace pattern silver coated copper, looking for info

Post by messydesk » Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:07 pm

My Judd book doesn't go past 1916, but if you're referring to J-2015, according to uspatterns.com, that has been discredited as being mutilated regular issues
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Re: 1921 Peace pattern silver coated copper, looking for info

Post by pup_picker » Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:34 pm

messydesk wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:07 pm
My Judd book doesn't go past 1916, but if you're referring to J-2015, according to uspatterns.com, that has been discredited as being mutilated regular issues
there are other reference names besides judd. does it list any of these in your pattern book and is your book the redbook pattern book? it is the one danreuther and the gang refer as THE reference.

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Re: 1921 Peace pattern silver coated copper, looking for info

Post by RogerB » Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:32 pm

Look on USpatterns.com or in the CURRENT edition of Judd.

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Re: 1921 Peace pattern silver coated copper, looking for info

Post by Albannach » Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:07 pm

I saw a J-1553 the other day...this guy I know was being a smart ass to me...I kinda started it I guess... :geek:

I believe it's struck in copper, very cool looking Morgan!

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Re: 1921 Peace pattern silver coated copper, looking for info

Post by RogerB » Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:48 am

coinnoob7 -- Please read Renaissance of American Coinage 1916-1921 or A Guide Book for Peace Dollars for facts.

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