1898 VAM?

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lhnumis1
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1898 VAM?

Post by lhnumis1 » Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:22 am

The 1898 coin from the collection appears to be a slanted date w/open 9.



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Date set at normal left edge; die chip on left side of neck noted.
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Slanted date...the 9 exhibits (a die chip?) connecting the ball to the lower loop.
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Die gouge in denticles below star 3 along with an addition small gouge at top of the third space.
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Die gouge in denticles with (other die damage?) below stars 4 and 5.
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Re: 1898 VAM?

Post by lhnumis1 » Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:38 am

Additional images...
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Height above edge of 1, 144 pixels.
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Height above edge of 1st 8, 149 pixels.
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Height above edge of 9, 151 pixels.
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Height above edge of 2nd 8, 153 pixels.
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Strong line w/rust pit above, in cotton leaf-wheat leaf void.
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Re: 1898 VAM?

Post by lhnumis1 » Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:54 am

Additional images...
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4 strong lines and dot in IB of LIBERTY.
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Middle and lower arrowheads slightly doubled.
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2nd and 3rd leaf clusters in left wreath exhibit slight doubling at two outer leaves.
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In the right wreath, Leaf cluster 5 exhibits two slightly doubled outer leaves; Leaf cluster 2 exhibits one slightly doubled inner leaf.
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Re: 1898 VAM?

Post by lhnumis1 » Thu Apr 13, 2023 4:27 pm

Additional images...


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Two strong lines in 1st hair 'vee'.
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Liberty cap doubled.
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Re: 1898 VAM?

Post by lhnumis1 » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:30 am

Thanks for responding andywoj00. VAM 2D appears correct. The images you supplied were impressive and convincing. Those on the web page were not. Many thanks once again. Below find an image of the only clashing on the new VAM 2D of the collection.

I have an 1898 VAM 8 obverse coming up soon with a reverse I can not match...trust it may be of some modest interest.
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Re: 1898 VAM?

Post by andywoj00 » Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:52 pm

lhnumis1 wrote:
Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:30 am
Thanks for responding andywoj00. VAM 2D appears correct. The images you supplied were impressive and convincing. Those on the web page were not. Many thanks once again. Below find an image of the only clashing on the new VAM 2D of the collection.

I have an 1898 VAM 8 obverse coming up soon with a reverse I can not match...trust it may be of some modest interest.
You're welcome. My humble advice is to not get caught up in the minutia of unlisted marks/scratches et al on a coin. I've only been in the VAM world since 2017, so I'm no expert...far from it.
I focus on the markers and descriptions at the VAM pages. I know, alot of them are lacking descriptive details, making it frustrating sometimes to attrib a coin. Once a coin is locked in, though, it's a good thing to add additional decent photos of details like date positions, mint marks, distinct polish lines, chips, gouges, etc that may not be listed, but might help others to attrib a coin.

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Re: 1898 VAM?

Post by keilg1 » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:02 pm

andywoj00 wrote:
Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:52 pm
lhnumis1 wrote:
Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:30 am
Thanks for responding andywoj00. VAM 2D appears correct. The images you supplied were impressive and convincing. Those on the web page were not. Many thanks once again. Below find an image of the only clashing on the new VAM 2D of the collection.

I have an 1898 VAM 8 obverse coming up soon with a reverse I can not match...trust it may be of some modest interest.
You're welcome. My humble advice is to not get caught up in the minutia of unlisted marks/scratches et al on a coin. I've only been in the VAM world since 2017, so I'm no expert...far from it.
I focus on the markers and descriptions at the VAM pages. I know, alot of them are lacking descriptive details, making it frustrating sometimes to attrib a coin. Once a coin is locked in, though, it's a good thing to add additional decent photos of details like date positions, mint marks, distinct polish lines, chips, gouges, etc that may not be listed, but might help others to attrib a coin.
Agree, there is a fine line between looking for PUPs that 'count' and venturing into microVamming. A very subjective part of our world and one that I'm not sure I've navigated well.

Keep exploring and asking your quetions.

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Re: 1898 VAM?

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Sat Apr 15, 2023 10:36 pm

I call the minutia die poop. That is just me.

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