Question about early year date hubbing

[UNCLE BINGO]

My appologies for the lighting .you can't really make out the extent of doubling etc. But I was wondering what causes the effects showing on the 1 on this 1882-S .I had thought it might be a "one and done' kind of thing but it seems to be on a few different vams . Thank you in advance .///Bob

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[Albannach]

It's a valid question.
There are theories on Hub doubling, it's a logical guess as to the why of your question. i.e. if it's a hub thing, you would think you would see way more of it, for 82P we really don't. VAM 5A obv has it...

Recently I looked at an O mint 82 obv that matched a philly variety obv.
If it's actually in a die, then it begs the question, where exactly was the coin struck...regardless of the rev marriage. Something to think about (it keeps me up at night).

[UNCLE BINGO]

Thank you for the reply! I will get some better pictures , while holding two flashlights plus the scope to try and better show whatever it is that my brain has locked on to . I did not know if it was die fatigue or something in the hub , and the best place to start would be with the correct VAM number , something I was unable to do the first time through in prepping for your attribution game in another topic . I just don't really know anything yet for sure about this stuff, but its fascinating learning about it !

[RogerB]

RE: "...it seems to be on a few different vams."
Is it identical or similar?

[UNCLE BINGO]

I'm still trying to figure out if I just might be crazy , what I got so locked in on may be nothing more than my mind filling in blanks , on a crappy picture .

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I just need to put the right VAM # on this coin and it will answer my questions. I'm probably just seeing different marriages or die states or something while looking through the pages ???

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[UNCLE BINGO]

I think part of this appears to be a non plate picture on the v-10 page that looks an awful lot to me like that 1 in the date above and then a comment on v 23 page saying these two coins share the same obverse ???? The v 23 looks nothing like the above pictures but the v 10 additional photo does ,, what are the spikes coming off both sides bottom of my 1 and the die chip looking thing on the viewers top right caused from . Is it just wear???? The additional photos on VAM 3 appear to me to be the same" 1 " effect as above . the additional photos on v 27 look close but i am undetermined on that one . the plate photo on v 32 looks to me to also match this effect .

v 36/36A plate photos have huge spikes below but no visible chip that I can make out .v 37 v 38 the same spikes with no chip , I think this is why I thought it could possibly in the hub , but I sure don't know , thats why I ask dumb questions on here , because i don't really know anything , but my brain picks up on stuff like that and it rattles around

[UNCLE BINGO]

Gonna call it v32 for now , I'll spend some time tomorrow confirming markers . 9 million+ coins , 80 die pairs , this date could use a die study IMHO

[keilg1]

Can you clarify what you mean by "what causes the effects showing on the 1"? Do you mean the little extensions of metal off the bottom horizontal portion (little spikes or streaks descending from the digit towards the denticles)?

If so, this is almost exclusively and example of 'slide.' San Fran strikes are infamous for ghosting below the digits (and the stars and other peripheral areas) - something that causes excitement, then sadness, for people thinking they have massive die doubling...

The angle of the strike, the stickiness of the metal/planchet to the die, the ambient temperature of the whole system, the pull away speed and a lot more would create many similar (but, as Roger asks, not necessarily identical) smudginessssss?

Dunno, maybe I'm missing your question. Apologies if so. (And please note, no additional pictures included to illustrate what I'm trying to say! )

[UNCLE BINGO]

Thank you for the reply . I wasnt really excited more confused .so you are saying it has nothing to do with anything in the die or the hub ? What about the chip looking thing / scratch , on the side of the one ?

[Albannach]

I believe he was referring to the “thingy” on the upper right of the shaft

[UNCLE BINGO]

I believe he was referring to the “thingy” on the upper right of the shaft

You realize that is just sick and wrong after my failed kid rock google search right ????


Of course you do that's why it's funny

[keilg1]

I believe he was referring to the “thingy” on the upper right of the shaft

Ah, that might make sense, but @UNCLE BINGO, you've not confirmed this is what you mean.

If it is what you're referring to, then I've not a clue. Thingy or not, I'll put that in someone else's hands to examine.

[vamsterdam]

This must be due to a doubled working hub as i have seen this doubled 1 on a number of dies, p, and s.