1878-P B2 reverse conundrum - guru input welcomed
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1878-P B2 reverse conundrum - guru input welcomed
I thought this a nice, but likely, plain Jane (no offense to Janes out there) variety.
Now I'm perplexed, having marched through all variations looking for a fit. Ended up having a fit (or two) but no success.
The short story: clear B2 reverse, 4th star broken, r in trust broken, closed o in God, some doubling but nothing I can line up, and a whole bunch of PUPs that has brought about the conundrum.
Sorry there'll be a lot of pictures to follow but I'd like you to see what I see. Whomever points out the blindingly obvious answer will have my respect but I will also loathe you for seeing what I couldn't. First photos, the standard stuff; the additional ones, the fun/frustrating stuff.
Thanks in advance for your patience and input.
FCO:
FCR:
Broken 4th right star:
Closed o (God):
Broken r (trust):
Now I'm perplexed, having marched through all variations looking for a fit. Ended up having a fit (or two) but no success.
The short story: clear B2 reverse, 4th star broken, r in trust broken, closed o in God, some doubling but nothing I can line up, and a whole bunch of PUPs that has brought about the conundrum.
Sorry there'll be a lot of pictures to follow but I'd like you to see what I see. Whomever points out the blindingly obvious answer will have my respect but I will also loathe you for seeing what I couldn't. First photos, the standard stuff; the additional ones, the fun/frustrating stuff.
Thanks in advance for your patience and input.
FCO:
FCR:
Broken 4th right star:
Closed o (God):
Broken r (trust):
Re: 1878-P B2 reverse conundrum - guru input welcomed
Next batches, the obverse PUPs:
Triple scratches inside the ear:
A wonderful scratch in the bonnet fold:
No strong scratches within a doubled LIBERTY:
And, a bit of fun with the date: doubled 7 (ish)
And something that looks to be something in the denticle space (but not a MPD, I don't think):
Triple scratches inside the ear:
A wonderful scratch in the bonnet fold:
No strong scratches within a doubled LIBERTY:
And, a bit of fun with the date: doubled 7 (ish)
And something that looks to be something in the denticle space (but not a MPD, I don't think):
Re: 1878-P B2 reverse conundrum - guru input welcomed
More on the obverse.
Die scratches galore:
Die scratches galore:
Re: 1878-P B2 reverse conundrum - guru input welcomed
More obverse fun:
Re: 1878-P B2 reverse conundrum - guru input welcomed
And, finally, some MINOR die cracking along the left stars that might help ID this:
Re: 1878-P B2 reverse conundrum - guru input welcomed
Enough of the obverse (although there's more), here's the reverse.
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And:
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- 78PB2rev386GRed_die scratch tail feathers to bow and within bow.jpg (134.82 KiB) Viewed 918 times
Re: 1878-P B2 reverse conundrum - guru input welcomed
Finally, and thanks for your patience!
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Re: 1878-P B2 reverse conundrum - guru input welcomed
Nice
Vam 186A (v183)
Vam 186A (v183)
Challenge yourself,start doing your own date study!
Re: 1878-P B2 reverse conundrum - guru input welcomed
Scarce; my discovery back in the day; usually PL. Nice find…
Re: 1878-P B2 reverse conundrum - guru input welcomed
Bloody 'ell this is a FUN coin. I marched past it after looking briefly because my coin has a lot more going on than described. I suspect this is an earlier die state but would love to hear from the owners of the 15 or so others (SSDC registry) if they also see such deep scratch lines and the fun die polishing lines.
I can post a few additional pictures onto the page if the community thinks they'd help inform others (and generate more interest!).
Re: 1878-P B2 reverse conundrum - guru input welcomed
Die crack on reverse tells me this is a later die state…
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Re: 1878-P B2 reverse conundrum - guru input welcomed
Lots of super sharp people here.