1881-S VAM-2 with parallel Die gouges in loop of bow that are not listed on the v-2 page. Sent to ANACS :D

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1881-S VAM-2 with parallel Die gouges in loop of bow that are not listed on the v-2 page. Sent to ANACS :D

Post by johnhenry9009 » Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:50 pm

I've been looking though the 81-S page and my 81-S for a few hours now but I just can't find which VAM listing this one belongs to. :? I've looked through the 1881-S bow guide and I did not see any with the two parallel Die gouges as seen in the 2nd photo. when I was putting the arrows on the photo below I forgot to mark what appears to be a check mark on the one :) (Correction: it appears to be an LDS of V-2 instead of a V-32 so I do apologize for the incorrect information. )
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What appears to be two parallel Die gouges in the loop of bow.
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The Mintmark appears to be one of the up & left variety.
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Re: 1881-S unlisted VAM?

Post by johnhenry9009 » Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:28 pm

Here are some photos of the full coin, I do apologize for the photos if they are to grainy :)
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if you look closely at the loop in the bow you can see the die gouges.
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Re: 1881-S unlisted LDS VAM-32?

Post by johnhenry9009 » Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:54 pm

(V KEY for the photo: BLUE= what appears to be some dbl on the wreath.)
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Here is a photo of the cotton blossoms which seems to have some Die scratches in the space between them.
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and here is a photo of the D in the hair and the ear :) I do apologize for the blurriness/graininess. :(
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Re: 1881-S VAM-32 with Die gouges in loop of bow?

Post by johnhenry9009 » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:55 am

BUMP :)

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Re: 1881-S VAM-32 with Die gouges in loop of bow?

Post by MarkyB » Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:26 am

I didn't think your MM matched 32 so I went looking. I think you have a VAM 2. Pits in her hair D seem to line up. The only thing I couldn't account for was the ribbon. Give it a look.

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Re: 1881-S V-32 or V-2 with Die gouges in loop of bow?

Post by johnhenry9009 » Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:40 pm

Yeah, the more I look at it I would have to agree with you it does appear to be VAM-2. I believe I was suffering from tunnel vision when I wrote the topic because I was just focused on the die gouges in the bow, and thank you for correcting me :D. but given the die gouges in the bow I want to say it is a LDS what do you make of it?

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Re: 1881-S VAM-2 with Die gouges in loop of bow?

Post by MarkyB » Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:38 pm

The ribbon could be a match. I thought you might have PMD but I think I can make out what appears to be two ridges thru the listings ribbon that could be enhanced with different angle or better lighting. I would set my scope/camera at the same magnification level as the listing and try to match. Sometimes too much or too little magnification can work against you. If the lines/gouges stay relevent from any angle, you may have something special. Today I noticed the checkmark anomally on the second 1 which helps solidify the VAM 2 ID. Pretty cool.

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Re: 1881-S VAM-2 with Die gouges in loop of bow?

Post by johnhenry9009 » Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:25 pm

Here are some photos of the bow :D
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Re: 1881-S VAM-2 with Die gouges in loop of bow?

Post by johnhenry9009 » Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:28 pm

and here they are but rotated :lol:
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Re: 1881-S VAM-2 with Die gouges in loop of bow?

Post by MarkyB » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:24 pm

That certainly stands out. Notice the first "rim" as I call it, and outlined in my pic, does match but your lines are absent. I can't explain it. Maybe it's the future 2A.
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Re: 1881-S VAM-2 with Die gouges in loop of bow?

Post by johnhenry9009 » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:28 pm

It is promising :D But we will have to wait and see what our fellow VAM collectors think about it to be sure. :)

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Re: 1881-S VAM-2 with Die gouges in loop of bow? Any opinions?

Post by johnhenry9009 » Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:19 pm

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Re: 1881-S VAM-2 with Die gouges in loop of bow that are not listed on the v-2 page.

Post by Albannach » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:41 am

So your coin has PL fields and very little polishing in and around the bow, indicating an early state of the die. Is it in a PL holder? Is it worthy of a revision or new listing, not from what I see, for the bow gouges, no, but I don't make those decisions.

Scratches and gouges tend to wear with age and polishing until they simply vanish (in most cases) it's really a matter of time. As I said, it does not look like this one has had much work done, based on your pics. She's minty-fresh...

Occasionally you'll find some of these scratches are actually in a HUB. I suspect that here, but will simply speculate for now, as I don't know a great deal about this date.

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Re: 1881-S VAM-2 with Die gouges in loop of bow that are not listed on the v-2 page.

Post by johnhenry9009 » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:55 am

It is not in a graded holder but I have been thinking about sending to ANACS. :D

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Re: 1881-S VAM-2 with Die gouges in loop of bow that are not listed on the v-2 page.

Post by Albannach » Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:29 pm

That's a good thought and I certainly recommend that yes.

I would be surprised if they don't PL the reverse. I don't see it so much on your Obv, but the pics are sparse and too tight for me to see clearly.

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Re: 1881-S VAM-2 with Die gouges in loop of bow that are not listed on the v-2 page.

Post by johnhenry9009 » Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:33 pm

I just sent it to ANACS so we'll have to wait and see what they think about it. :) I believe that it will require another example in order for it to be listed as a VAM in my opinion :D .

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