1880 S new VAM?

[lhnumis1]

The 1880 S (Large S) illustrated below appears to be a new VAM.

Some images of the reverse will be shown in a follow-up post.

OBVERSE

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The 1 is slightly surface doubled at the bottom left & very slightly at the very bottom right as indicated by an irregular raised line.

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The first 8 is heavily surface doubled @ the bottom of the lower loop; in addition there appears to be either a large die chip or die damage on the left side @ the junction of the upper & lower loops; it is also exhibits a small die chip @ the right side between the loops. Surface doubling is noted at the inside right of the lower loop & slight doubling @ the inside bottom of the upper loop is also noted.

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The second 8 is doubled on the lower left outside of the upper loop.

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The 0 is doubled at top left and right outside; also doubled at bottom left & right outside.

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[lhnumis1]

Below find several images of the reverse; additional images both obverse & reverse to follow...

REVERSE

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The mintmark appears to be upright, set left & on the low limit. THE RIGHT RIBBON POINT IS CONNECTED TO THE RIBBON KNOT; THE LEFT RIBBON POINT IS NOT CONNECTED.

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A RAISED HORIZONTAL LINE IS NOTED NEAR THE BASE OF THE UPPER RIGHT TAIL FEATHERS.

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[MarkyB]

I believe you have a medium S and I may have found a match. I will keep it to myself in case you want to continue the hunt.

[morganman]

Not a new vam- Med S Not Lrge S

[lhnumis1]

Thanks to MarkyB & morganman for their responses. The coin appears to be a VAM-32 . Below, find additional text & images that should be associated with the die state of my coin. These may/may not be applicable to each & every VAM-32.

Stars 1,2,3,4,6 on the right & stars 1-7 on the left, exhibit slight doubling toward the rim.

Slight doubling of the motto is as follows:
The 'E' & 'P'-not doubled.
The 'L' @ the lower left serif toward the rim.
The 'U' @ the inside bottom
right, toward the rim.
The 'R' @ the inside left of the loop & the top of the lower right serif of the left upright.
The 'I' is not doubled.
The 'B' @ the inside bottom left of the lower loop.
The 'U' @ the inside bottom.
The 'S' @ the inside bottom stroke.
The 'U' not doubled.
The 'N' @ the top right of the lower left crossbar.
The 'U' @ the inside bottom.
The 'M' @ the top left of the lower left crossbar & both top left & top right of the lower right crossbar.

THE INSIDE TOP OF THE 'G' OF 'IN GOD WE TRUST IS FILLED.

A die break is noted emerging from the rim; It continiues thru the 'E' of 'E PLURIBUS UNUM', & terminates in the field prior to reaching the nose; the resulting vertical field displacement on either side of the break is noted.

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THE TOP OF THE LIBERTY CAP IS DOUBLED.

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A HEAVY DIAGONAL DIE GOUGE IS NOTED IN THE VOID BETWEEN THE TOP COTTON & WHEAT LEAVES ABOUT 1mm ABOVE THE BASE.

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[MarkyB]

Nice work. So you have the line in the upper loop of the MM? I can't see it. I was thinking VAM 26. To confirm 32, I would check the D void in her hair and see if it matches. GL

[keilg1]

Love the 80S series, but these can be buggers to attribute.

A few notes:

• Not a 32 - I don't think your picture clearly shows an S/S mintmark

• What you see near the wheat leaf is not a "A HEAVY DIAGONAL DIE GOUGE" - it's a minor PUP at best - yet nice to note

• Love the radial die crack near the E... might be something

• 26 and 27 share the same obverse... but neither mention doubling of the base of the 1

• Posts that begin with 'new VAM' in the title and don't get the mintmark being medium versus large might should be discouraged in the future

• Great pictures help more than textual descriptions - you've got the first nailed (congrats)

At this point will encourage you to keep hunting. Can search through the various sorting optons (date or mm) as well as general searches as have been recommended in other posts - keep educating yourself, with the community as a supportive back up.

Repeating the GL mentioned before...

[vampicker]

Maybe take a look at the 2nd S in STATES

[lhnumis1]

The jury rigged, Rube Goldberg, $ 25.00 digital camera, poor lighting setup that I have, does not have the magnification or resolution to see the line in the mintmark or the doubling in the stars and motto. But they are there.
The reason I thought I had a new VAM was the presence of the doubled stars, which in not indicated in the description of any of the doubled date (1880 S Large S) varieties. The medium S, VAM-32 description also neglects to indicate doubled stars. However, Noticing that the polishing in the ‘Dee’ matched my example exactly was the sure attribution convincer for me.
Vampicker indicated that I look @ the second ‘S’ in ‘STATES’…it appears that there exists 3 lumps. A substantial raised lump @ the top left of the diagonal stroke(arrow @ lower right), a tiny lump(above & separated from the large lump by a frosty space(arrow @ left) & a curved ‘broken’ oblong lump above & adjacent to the tiny lump(two arrows @ top right). See image below. Vampicker has an exceedingly sharp eye…I missed them completely.
Would the ‘lumps’, radial die break & associated die displacement along with the doubled stars give credence to the idea of a VAM-32A?

Many thanks to MarkyB, morganman, keigl1 and vampicker for their help in putting this VAM32 to bed!

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[MarkyB]

Oh you may not be done yet. Take a gander at 51A. It's got the chip on the left hip of the first 8 too. That dot on the S is pretty sweet. Many more PuPs to look at and match up.

The radial crack at E is fairly significant IMO and with minor displacement. Unfortunately full coin photo's are lacking in this series. Many here can vouch for varslab.com for a definitive answer and possible new VAM.

[vampicker]

Your coin is a VAM 51A. I reached that conclusion from your pictures then went looking for the 'dot' on the S because it should have been there.

[UNCLE BINGO]

you 're kind of awesome BTW , Thanks for all you do !!!!!

[lhnumis1]

Thanks MarkyB for info about the 51A. It appears to me that my example is a later die state than the 51A. The 51A lacks the die break & die displacement of my coin. The 32 is the earlier die state, next follows the 51A with the lump on the S, then the latest state my coin with lump & the die break with displacement.
Does this analysis make sense?

[MarkyB]

We have limited access to the entire VAM universe. Peeps like VamPicker and MessyDesk have access to more info than whats available on VamWorld. Generally, if VamPicker says you have a 51A, its a 51A. In short, your obverse matched several VAMs but we had to nail down the reverse. You did some nice work. I can't determine the uniqueness of the E crack.

[keilg1]

Thanks MarkyB for info about the 51A. It appears to me that my example is a later die state than the 51A. The 51A lacks the die break & die displacement of my coin. The 32 is the earlier die state, next follows the 51A with the lump on the S, then the latest state my coin with lump & the die break with displacement.
Does this analysis make sense?

Nice to watch the story unfold... Note that the date pictures of 26, 27 and 51/51A are all the same... but the 32 has a different obverse - a III2 21 not a III2 18. None of these say anything about a doubling of the 1, though.

Love the 32 reverse, by the way, because it is a fun S/S variant. Here's a picture of one I have:

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Still loving the radial die crack on your coin!

[lhnumis1]

Thanks to keigl1 for his analyses and great mintmark image. Also thanks to MarkyB,, morganman, vampicker & UNCLE BINGO for responding. Looking forward to sharing my other mysteries.