….wow….

[mark]

What vam did you think it was?
From what I see I can not attribute it.
Thanks larry

The reverse is a copy of a VAM-9

[keydates]

I would not call that a vam 9 y rev.
Thanks

[UNCLE BINGO]

not sure what you could call it , an attempt of?????The wing ,,,,,,,,

[RogerB]

This example helps demonstrate how detailed variety information can help in detection of counterfeits. Another way to put it, is there is a practical use to VAM varieties just as there are for variety data in other series.

With that kind of utility in mind, how could current (and revised) VAM data be improved for use in counterfeit detection?

[vampicker]

This example helps demonstrate how detailed variety information can help in detection of counterfeits. Another way to put it, is there is a practical use to VAM varieties just as there are for variety data in other series.

With that kind of utility in mind, how could current (and revised) VAM data be improved for use in counterfeit detection?

It's been done for the four key date Morgans and the 28 Peace Dollar. Still work to be done on some of the semi-key dates.

Beyond that, there's the more generic information about the correct shapes and styles of lettering, numerals and stars that would unmask a great deal of the fakes out there. This information is already being used by the various TPG's but more solid information is always helpful.

[mark]

I would not call that a vam 9 y rev.
Thanks

Not a very good copy

[impairedsquirrel]

I would not call that a vam 9 y rev.
Thanks

Not a very good copy

Looks more like an A1K to me.

[shortnock]

Ain't nothin' sacred, no more!

[Eschaton]

Good news, fellas, when more thoroughly apprised of the situation, the seller refunded me and says they don’t want the coin back. As such, I’d like to donate the coin to the SSDC for educational purposes. Not entirely sure how to go about doing that but I can send it to either JB or JR if that’s the best course of action.

[vampicker]

Something like this could be dropped off at any coin show where ANACS has a local representative. You'd just need to explain what it is and note that's it's for my research or Michael Fahey. He does the 'Detecting Counterfeits' column in Coin World.

Another option is to give it to the Anti Counterfeiting Educational Foundation. Here's a link
https://acefonline.org/

[messydesk]

I would send it to JR at ANACS. I will have a use for it if The Morgan dollar summer seminar class is held, in which case I'll arrange to borrow it.

[UNCLE BINGO]

@Eschaton That's a good thing you have done , Bravo Sir!

[messydesk]

Good news, fellas, when more thoroughly appraised of the situation, the seller refunded me and says they don’t want the coin back....

Combined with the seller not being very forthcoming about its origins, I'd watch their sales for a while. They don't need many people to keep a fake coin and be happy with it to absorb lots of refunds from others. If they keep selling more, then get ACEF involved.

[Eschaton]

Good news, fellas, when more thoroughly apprised of the situation, the seller refunded me and says they don’t want the coin back....

Combined with the seller not being very forthcoming about its origins, I'd watch their sales for a while. They don't need many people to keep a fake coin and be happy with it to absorb lots of refunds from others. If they keep selling more, then get ACEF involved.

Good advice, adding them to my favorite sellers list lol

[Eschaton]

Dennis: do you go to any of the shows where JR or ANACS set up? Or do you plan on seeing him anytime soon? You and I need to get together and have coffee and catch up on old times anyways. I think you’re probably the closest one to me.

Everyone: Sorry I haven’t responded to any private messages, haven’t been on my private messages in ages, I’m not ignoring you guys lol.