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Need a little help with 1900 P Dbl EAR

Post by jrfaust » Sun Jan 29, 2023 4:59 pm

Happy Football Sunday Everyone! (GO KC & 9'ers) :D
I'm having some problems attributing this 1900 P .
Obverse: Has doubled ear inside right, slight doubling on profile from nose bridge to upper lip. Also, I believe this is a Near Slanted Date.
Reverse: has die crack thru AMERIC, and there looks to be some metal displacement between the E & R and R & I.
Any thoughts?
Thanks again everyone for your input! :popcorn:
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Re: Need a little help with 1900 P Dbl EAR

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:11 pm

Ive been struggling with the DBL ears myself ... I have about decided if I cant see them from the LFCP they might not count .. That just a guess and open to interpretation, You would have to get clarification from an expert , Did you look at VAM 6?
the 9 looks different to me but not sure if I will ever get this stuff figured out :lol:
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Re: Need a little help with 1900 P Dbl EAR

Post by Ghost » Sun Jan 29, 2023 8:14 pm

Try VAM-25.

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Re: Need a little help with 1900 P Dbl EAR

Post by jrfaust » Sun Jan 29, 2023 8:28 pm

Thanks to both of you for your suggestions, VAM 6 is a little different for date position and not enough information. Be nice to have full photo of OB and RV. VAM 25 is close from what I can see, but the crack in date by the neck to 1 is different than mine. Hope that made sense. I've been up and down the VAM page for a few months now and can't seem to match it up. :(

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Re: Need a little help with 1900 P Dbl EAR

Post by jrfaust » Sun Jan 29, 2023 8:34 pm

Here's a small crack in date. This why I passed on VAM 25. The crack thru 1-9 is lower on my coin.
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Re: Need a little help with 1900 P Dbl EAR

Post by fogie » Sun Jan 29, 2023 8:36 pm

The whole doubled ear issue is an ugly can of worms. It turns out there are a number of them that are consistently reliable - if you have the VAM - you will be able to see the doubling. These include; 1878-CC V-6/18, 1878-S V-86, 1879-P V-16, 1880-O V-43, 1881-O V-27, 1883-CC V-3, 1884-P V5, 1887-O V-24, 1888-P V11, 1888-P V-21, 1888-P V-23, 1888-O V-20, 1889-P V-16, 1889-P V-18, 1890-O V-20, 1891-P V-2/2A/2B, 1891-O V-15, 1892-O V-5, 1893-P V-6, 1901-P V-5/6, 1901-S V-10, 1902-P V-4, 1902-P V-18, 1902-O V-23, 1902-O V-29, 1902-O V-42, 1902-P V-54 & 1902-O V-56. A very large percentage of the rest are in a different class altogether. This second batch is somewhat less reliable as they seem to be transitory. We know of a number of cases where the double ear becomes more OR less pronounced as the die gets a bit of wear/fatigue to it. This makes relying on the ear doubling for attribution purposes somewhat dubious. There was a time when LVA used "open" and "closed" digits for VAM attributes. He discontinued the practice when the same sort of issue became apparent.

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Re: Need a little help with 1900 P Dbl EAR

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:35 pm

Thank you @fogie I snipped that post and put it on my desktop for future reference.... as I read three of those dates , it took me back to very early on where I was trying to use PGCS coin facts instead of the vw pages . that fiasco led to three coins on your list being attributed flat out wrong by myself the first time ..maybe i shall make fewer mistakes in the future . thanks again
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Re: Need a little help with 1900 P Dbl EAR

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:29 pm

what about the stars?any doubling? any other die markers ? I would probably dismiss the crack in the date for a minute and find something else to use to nail it down better
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Re: Need a little help with 1900 P Dbl EAR

Post by jrfaust » Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:11 pm

Thank you, Brent, for that info, very helpful. :D
Uncle B, the only other significant attribute would be the die crack on reverse and the light doubled profile.

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Re: Need a little help with 1900 P Dbl EAR

Post by Jodemyer » Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:28 am

Could it be Vam 8? It would be a stronger strike showing doubling under bar of 1 instead of looking thicker?
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Re: Need a little help with 1900 P Dbl EAR

Post by jrfaust » Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:46 pm

Thanks for your input, Jody :D There is no dbling on one :( What do you think about the die crack AMERIC on reverse?
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Re: Need a little help with 1900 P Dbl EAR

Post by UNCLE BINGO » Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:09 pm

I got caught up in the font ... If I said this looked like a closed 9 it is because under that dirt or patina , there might be a bump on the bottom of the loop , (not sure } it is visible on a couple of the other vam pictures going through the big list ... I dont know if you are just suppose to call the listing generic and pick the closest one, or if you could claim it is VAM 28 cause there was no picture to compare it to ..you would most likely have to match the die numbers up with whatever listing you think is best .... I am just guessing still .... good luck
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Re: Need a little help with 1900 P Dbl EAR

Post by Jodemyer » Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:36 pm

I was looking at your one and thought I saw what was described in a strong strike, I was prob mistaken as I am about blind lol I will post a pic of your one with what I thought was the doubling referred to. Im still trying to track the cracks down lol
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Re: Need a little help with 1900 P Dbl EAR

Post by jrfaust » Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:34 pm

Again, thank you Jody and Uncle B! :D Jody, I think what your seeing in the 1, is just a shadow in the photo. I took a few closer pics of the "1" and hopefully it's clear enough that you can see, there is no doubling on the upper cross bar. Having said that, there is a notch on the upper left of the lower cross bar. (Not sure if that's anything but it's there)
OK,
A. Would everyone agree that this has Doubled EAR inside right?
2. ;) Would everyone agree that the DATE is NEAR and Slanted?
Star Date 2752.4: Would everyone agree that there are cracks on the Reverse in AMERIC? ( :lol: I kill me!)

I took some clearer pics of the cracks on reverse. I would like to hear some opinions on if you see displaced metal. ( I believe I do)
Again, thank you for your time and responses on this coin. :D
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Re: Need a little help with 1900 P Dbl EAR

Post by Jodemyer » Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:52 pm

I agree to it all lol I see on the 1 now, initially I thought with the date placement and alignment that coulda been it! but maybe a diff die state. So I just cannot figure out which it is since the ones that I thought do not have enough pics Im definitely a visual person lol Still looking though! I probably overlooked something!

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