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1921D 1CL or 1CL2 with die file lines

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:32 pm
by Jodemyer
Looking at this 1921D and trying to attribute correctly so I can file it. Would these be considered die file lines? They are in a different place than the 1CL2 plate coin also what caused the "Coral" look to the bust? Any help , thanks in advance. Also there are a few extra die cracks on this ones obverse and reverse but pretty sure it is one or the other. Thanks again!

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... -D_VAM-1CL

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... D_VAM-1CL2

Re: 1921D 1CL or 1CL2 with die file lines

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:46 pm
by Jodemyer
A few more pics. The feeder finger gouges look mostly polished away to me.

Re: 1921D 1CL or 1CL2 with die file lines

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:55 pm
by UNCLE BINGO
NICE PICS BTW!

Re: 1921D 1CL or 1CL2 with die file lines

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:59 pm
by Jodemyer
Thanks Uncle Bingo!

Re: 1921D 1CL or 1CL2 with die file lines

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 9:04 pm
by DHalladay
Feed finger gouges 'wandered' a bit during the course of their lives; photos on the attribution pages aren't a must match exactly proposition.

Re: 1921D 1CL or 1CL2 with die file lines

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 9:14 pm
by Jodemyer
@DHalladay I was wondering since it appears the feeder finger gouges have been polished out, if these were the die file lines which would attribute this as a 1CL2 even though in a slightly different place. I'm new but I think they are die file lines, Thanks for checking it out!

Re: 1921D 1CL or 1CL2 with die file lines

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:15 pm
by DHalladay
Your die cracks + feed finger lines tells me it's 1CL2.
Pretty coin.

Re: 1921D 1CL or 1CL2 with die file lines

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:25 pm
by Jodemyer
Thankyou!@DHalladay Thats what I was thinking but wanted to be sure before I filed it, I appreciate you checking it out for me!

Re: 1921D 1CL or 1CL2 with die file lines

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:02 am
by Malachi35
Very nice Coin

Re: 1921D 1CL or 1CL2 with die file lines

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:51 am
by Jodemyer
Thanks!@Malachi35

Re: 1921D 1CL or 1CL2 with die file lines

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:11 am
by messydesk
"Die File Lines" is a weird term. Sometimes they refer to aggressive die polishing, typically to remove clashes. Other times, they refer to these patches of parallel lines that are created gradually by the die being scraped by the feed fingers, such as on this coin. Whether this coin is VAM 1CL or 1CL2, since it matches the spec of VAM 1CL2, that's what it is. Of course, all VAM 1CL might look like this. Some might have lines that are more or less developed. I'd call those VAM 1CL2, also.

If there were no VAM 1CL2 and I saw the subject coin today, I would not assign a new VAM number, rather add a comment to VAM 1CL that these lines develop over time with die usage. Doing so would prevent the confusion that led to this thread.

Re: 1921D 1CL or 1CL2 with die file lines

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:00 am
by Jodemyer
Thankyou @messydesk for all the info, that makes perfect sense to me. I appreciate you checking it out and the explanation!