1900-P near 2x date C3 rev - not seeing it described

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1900-P near 2x date C3 rev - not seeing it described

Post by keilg1 » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:11 pm

I'm sure this is somewhere but I don't think this totally matches up the closest potentials. All digits clearly doubled and looking to be 'real' doubles - not machine doubling.

Near date, so this rules out the description of the VAM-12 which is clearly very near but describes the digit doubling in a similar fashion.

Other close one is the VAM-23 that has doubling of the tops of the 1 and 9 similar to this coin, but this shows doubling of the 0s and I don't see any evidence of star doubling (and don't see any similar crack from the neck to the 1). The date might be slightly low like the VAM-23 but I'd not describe it that way...

None of the other non-proof near date C3 flavours (5, 9, 10, 20, 22 or 28) say anything about full date doubling.

No other strong PUPs I can see apart from a small die scratch in the hair ribbon.

Thoughts from the vox populi (being equivalent to the vox dei according to Elon Musk)?
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Re: 1900-P near 2x date C3 rev - not seeing it described

Post by keilg1 » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:13 pm

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Re: 1900-P near 2x date C3 rev - not seeing it described

Post by messydesk » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:48 pm

My first reaction is machine doubling. How does the first right star look?
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Re: 1900-P near 2x date C3 rev - not seeing it described

Post by keilg1 » Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:05 pm

First right star appears completely normal as do the other stars:

First two on the right:
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And the bottom (that might indicate a VAM-23) - apparently clean:
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There appears to be doubling of the profile which either supports or contrasts with possible machine doubling (but it seems to be at a different angle - huge assumption there was no rotational issues). Here's the lips but see similar doubling up the nose to in front of the eye:
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No other elements doubled (to or away from the rim) on the obverse that I can see, but that isn't much confirmatory information... although I'd expect some doubling of the left stars somehow (but can't put my finger on why I think this).

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Re: 1900-P near 2x date C3 rev - not seeing it described

Post by messydesk » Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:42 pm

Lips are definitely machine doubled. Magnitude and direction are similar to if not the same as the date. The date is punched into the die separately from the hubbing until 1909. Seeing similar doubling on both the date and devices of this coin help confirm that it's machine doubling. This effect isn't always confined to a certain area of the coin. It's a little odd that it's on the mouth and not on the stars, but the appearance of machine doubling all depends on how the coin comes back into contact with the die.
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Re: 1900-P near 2x date C3 rev - not seeing it described

Post by keilg1 » Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:01 pm

Brilliant and makes sense. VAM-5 most likely then? Don't believe it to be a VAM-6 based on descriptions.

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Re: 1900-P near 2x date C3 rev - not seeing it described

Post by messydesk » Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:18 pm

Near date with C3 reverse and nothing else notable is VAM 5.
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