Grade Opinions

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Grade Opinions

Post by twohawks » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:53 pm

What grade do you think this coin is, its in a MS grade and problem free.
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Re: Grade Opinions

Post by messydesk » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:01 pm

63PL? Looks like someone swabbed the portrait with dip and didn't rinse properly.
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Re: Grade Opinions

Post by VamHelsing » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:02 pm

Based on the photos, I'd say 63+ to 64.

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Re: Grade Opinions

Post by Raybob15239 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:06 pm

Some big dings in the fields. 63.
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Re: Grade Opinions

Post by vamsterdam » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:08 pm

64.

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Post by DHalladay » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:56 pm

Wow. This is tough, because I don't care for the color and the patchy obverse toning.

My call is 63PL.
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Re: Grade Opinions

Post by fogie » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:44 pm

Send it to me and you do not need to worry about it.......64 ish.....

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Post by TheYokel » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:57 pm

62PL is my guess... Scratches on the cheek in a bad area and the neck is pretty banged up...
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Re: Grade Opinions

Post by HawkeEye » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:02 pm

I would say 63 and at some point in its life a PL or DMPL coin. But I have seen a lot of coins like this that are graded MS and not PL or DMPL because the reflectivity fades with age. The camera brings out the fields though.
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Re: Grade Opinions

Post by vamnuke » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:02 am

62 PL

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Re: Grade Opinions

Post by lioncutter » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:05 pm

ANACS 62PL
PCGS 63PL
NGC 64PL
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Re: Grade Opinions

Post by PickNGrin » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:48 pm

Ms 63

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Re: Grade Opinions

Post by crabscrape » Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:36 am

It looks to be a very nice strike! Don't know what is above the O in OF in the field on the reverse with some dings? Also, the breast has what to appears to be a scratch. Something is going on with the obverse? PL? toning ? not sure, would like to see it in hand myself. A lot of nicks in the field. Over all with the photos, I would say 62PL.

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Post by dave700x » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:17 pm

I can see 64 and possibly PL
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Post by morganman » Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:31 pm

Russ & Fellow vam weenies lol ; This is truly a CC with lots going on

Obv field looks PL until you see the regular strike underneath in field Lib is bold enough to 64
but field marks are to numerious so i put at 63 with no PL or dmpl

rev- sure shows black enough fields to go DMPL but fields show many scratches = Details coin

the obv really me as the Pl toning is probally fake????

Im in the ms63 rev dmpl details/cleaned camp

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Re: Grade Opinions

Post by morganman » Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:36 pm

problem free- not in my eyes lol- Those rev scratches sure look deep enough to call cleaned??
What a great example to hone in your grading skills
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Re: Grade Opinions

Post by HawkeEye » Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:08 pm

"Don't know what is above the O in OF in the field"
I wonder if a peeling lamination?
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Post by LorenAlbert » Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:09 pm

Had the original post not been prefaced with "problem free," I would have guessed "details." The polishing lines on the reverse appear to invade the devices (right wreath). As an aside, I place the MM at wide, high, and slanted downward. This die pair does not appear to match any of the documented wide CC die pairs from the 1878-CC_VAMs List.

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Re: Grade Opinions

Post by twohawks » Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:45 pm

Well here is the grade on this one. My personal feelings are that if this coin is run thought conservation and the fields witch look to be black turn out to be just that. The coin has a solid shot at an MS-64 DMPL as the relief's are extremely free of contact marks and the coin looks to be well struck. The issue on the reverse looks to be a strike thought of something, maybe wood! PL and DMPL fields tend to highlight every contact mark.
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Re: Grade Opinions

Post by vamnuke » Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:50 pm

Just be careful with conservation of a PL coin; my V227.2 64PL horror story be a testament!

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