1878 S help, thoughts & guidance

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1878 S help, thoughts & guidance

Post by demetri » Sun Oct 16, 2022 3:14 am

This PL morgan is driving me crazy but I think Im getting close. Can anyone confirm this hair loss.

Other observations

Hair band weak
missing hair
Double 7 top side
double Liberty left
lightly Broken B

Hair loss is big time
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weak hair band
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Re: 78S missing a lot hair, is this a V113

Post by demetri » Sun Oct 16, 2022 3:18 am

oppps submitted by accident lol

etched tail feather and wing
dont clearly see the dragon scales, right wing kind of sort of
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Partial broken star
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Liberty
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Re: 78S missing a lot hair, is this a V113

Post by demetri » Sun Oct 16, 2022 3:22 am

I forgot to mention I see the ejection damage at the jaw/neck juncture and the small cluster of gouges above the eyelid tip. The die dhips, dragon scales and fine polish line are nearly impossible to see or photo on a PL surface.

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Re: 78S missing a lot hair, is this a V113

Post by demetri » Sun Oct 16, 2022 3:45 am

Ohh and the split hair
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close up
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Re: 78S missing a lot hair, is this a V113

Post by demetri » Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:38 am

Ahhh so confusing following die progression. I think maybe the 36 die 3 obv but rev????

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Re: 78S missing a lot hair, is this a V113

Post by demetri » Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:42 am

full back not a B2x no broken R
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Re: 78S missing a lot hair, is this a V113

Post by ljs123 » Sun Oct 16, 2022 12:40 pm

No it is not a 113.
Wrong obverse and wrong reverse.
I’m sure one of the 78-S experts can help you pin down this VAM.

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Re: 78S missing a lot hair, is this a V113

Post by 78-sLongnock » Sun Oct 16, 2022 12:49 pm

Try again and re-attribute it
Start with 4 star on right and R in trust
This will cut down your search be 1/3
Once you figure it out, please adjust our title
It is not part of the dragon wing series
it’s not a Vam 113
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Re: 78S missing a lot hair, is this a V113

Post by VamHelsing » Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:44 pm

Not a dragon scales...

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Re: 78S missing a lot hair, is this a V113

Post by demetri » Sun Oct 16, 2022 7:53 pm

78-sLongnock wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 12:49 pm
Try again and re-attribute it
Start with 4 star on right and R in trust
This will cut down your search be 1/3
Once you figure it out, please adjust our title
It is not part of the dragon wing series
it’s not a Vam 113
Yes, that is great advice, while going thru some of the 36 die pairings I see a mix, some here, some there, and then I found die progression lol darn hole gets bigger and bigger lol I love this variety, this might be a close second to 82 O/S in my fav book but who knows, tomorrow in vamworld is a new day.

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Re: 1878 S help, thoughts & guidance

Post by demetri » Sun Oct 16, 2022 8:05 pm

I want to say thanks for all the advice and help from the community and most importantly, for not being to hard on me, I'm fast tracking and new to vams and trying to digest it all. Just fascinating and has me hooked lol, I realize there are no video of the process from 100+ years ago but I would like to study up on the die and hub process. Can anyone suggest the best place to read up more. I plan on joining SSDC and Im sure it will be loaded with info.

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Re: 1878 S help, thoughts & guidance

Post by lewisr2 » Sun Oct 16, 2022 8:43 pm

there is good guidance in the replies.
This might be a V-75.

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Re: 1878 S help, thoughts & guidance

Post by demetri » Sun Oct 16, 2022 10:57 pm

Yes, the guidance on vamworld is the best. This variety has so many rabbit holes, I keep getting lost. Im adding some other items especially in the mouth of the eagle, I didn't see that before and some leaf doubling. I hope this helps, Im digging back in tonight to try my luck again starting at the v75, thanks

line in mouth
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doubling near second berry set
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double lower arrow
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broken?? or doubled B
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looks like double R at crossbar
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Re: 1878 S help, thoughts & guidance

Post by demetri » Sun Oct 16, 2022 10:59 pm

Top berry leaf double
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double 7 top , side
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Polish line in T
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Re: 1878 S help, thoughts & guidance

Post by demetri » Sun Oct 16, 2022 11:10 pm

lewisr2 wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 8:43 pm
there is good guidance in the replies.
This might be a V-75.
I had to look at the v75 and you are 100% correct, (your very good thanks) I totally missed the comma die chip. that die chip is giant, how could I miss that. I did realize the R and star were significant but I was struggling with die marriage chart and the descriptions. There so many vams, breaking off into different die sets and progression of some can get a bit confusing to use newly minted vammers. Im going to stay on 78 S for a while and try to learn more about the variations.

Thanks again lewisr

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Re: 1878 S help, thoughts & guidance

Post by lewisr2 » Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:15 pm

sent you a PM -- I think.
I sometime have problems sending a PM.

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