1898-O V15 obv with normal and slight right tilt O mm?

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keilg1
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1898-O V15 obv with normal and slight right tilt O mm?

Post by keilg1 » Sat Oct 01, 2022 3:24 pm

Convinced this is a VAM-15 obverse based on the date placement (normal, but almost near), the characteristic doubling of the 1 and a fairly similar doubling seen on the second 8:
1898-O 15obv-normal O tilt right mm date digits gredfeather.jpg
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but the MM is not high to my eye and and, if anything, seems slightly tilted right, overlapping more with the VAM-8 or VAM-27:
1898-O 15obv-normal O tilt right mm gredfeather.jpg
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If it is high it seems to align more with VAM-12 than 15...

Is this just a straight VAM-15 as I can't see the mm placement of the listed coin very well but it does look high?

Here's the FCO and FCR for the full pictures:
1898-O 15obv-normal O tilt right mm gredfeather FCO.jpg
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1898-O 15obv-normal O tilt right mm gredfeather FCR.jpg
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Thanks! Gary

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Re: 1898-O V15 obv with normal and slight right tilt O mm?

Post by ljs123 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:19 pm

Not sure what VAM you have. I’ll leave that to the experts.
But I will say that the mm photo you posted does show a high mm.
Also, of the VAM options you mentioned, I think VAM-27 can be ruled out due to location.

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Re: 1898-O V15 obv with normal and slight right tilt O mm?

Post by keilg1 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:18 pm

Thanks, @ljs123. I believe it'll be a straight VAM-15 if the mm is designated as 'high' but it certainly doesn't appear as high as the other ones with that moniker.

Tough part about vamming - vams are based on descriptions, not die combinations... yet many a vam has been put as a sub variety based on clear die paring differences (that just happen to coincide with the general description).

Looking forward to hearing the more experienced takes on this.

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Re: 1898-O V15 obv with normal and slight right tilt O mm?

Post by ljs123 » Tue Oct 04, 2022 2:10 am

I will show you why I say that your mm is high.
The red line is placed on your photo.

1898-O 15obv-normal O tilt right mm gredfeather-modified-ljs123.jpg
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Re: 1898-O V15 obv with normal and slight right tilt O mm?

Post by keilg1 » Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:06 am

Brilliant - a VAM-15 she be! Appreciate your help.

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