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Need Help with 1921, broken E Obv

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:32 pm
by jrfaust
Hello all, Hey, I've got a 21 that I believe has a broken E on the obv. 1st, is it a "Broken" E?
If so, can someone point me to the correct VAM :?
On the Obv, coin has Tripe L&R stars and date, also Dbl'd E & P with a Dbl'd Profile from hair to Lips
Rev: Dbl'd STATES OF AMERICA, has no scribbles that I can see...
Here are a few pics, sorry about quality, my scope is acting up :(
Thanks in advance for any help on this :D
1921 ob broken E.jpg
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1921 rv broken E.jpg
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Re: Need Help with 1921, broken E Obv

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:36 pm
by jrfaust
OOPS, :oops: here are the pics I meant to post:
1921 ob broken E1.jpg
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1921 ob broken E2.jpg
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1921 rv1 broken E.jpg
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Re: Need Help with 1921, broken E Obv

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:59 pm
by iwillbenice
Looks Fake.

Re: Need Help with 1921, broken E Obv

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:18 pm
by DHalladay
Interesting!!

I hesitate to say the coin isn't real. But it is very odd that metal flow lines appear to extend into the area where the missing part of the E is.

I'd like to hear what @messydesk and @vampicker have to say about this.

Re: Need Help with 1921, broken E Obv

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:00 pm
by vampicker
I'd guess it's a strike thru, but could be an unfortunately placed hit. Not buying this as an actual die thing

Re: Need Help with 1921, broken E Obv

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:12 am
by jrfaust
iwillbenice wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:59 pm
Looks Fake.
Why do you think it looks fake? Is it the color or something else? My digital scope is acting up :oops: Ring test is positive, 2, 21's side by side sound exactly the same...coin weight and diameter all seem to be in tolerance. :popcorn:

Re: Need Help with 1921, broken E Obv

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:16 am
by messydesk
vampicker wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:00 pm
I'd guess it's a strike thru, but could be an unfortunately placed hit. Not buying this as an actual die thing
I don't think it's in the die either. The flow lines are vexing, though. Another possibility is that there was a gas bubble here when struck which later deflated, collapsing the top of the E.

Re: Need Help with 1921, broken E Obv

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:28 am
by jrfaust
Thanks Gents, are these pics helpful?
1921 ob broken E1.jpg
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1921 ob broken E2.jpg
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1921 ob broken E3.jpg
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Re: Need Help with 1921, broken E Obv

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:21 am
by Unc90o
Grease or debris filled die error?

Re: Need Help with 1921, broken E Obv

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:33 am
by vampicker
The color change around this further supports some sort of struck thru debris error. Can't explain the flow lining, but this might be natural on a filled die that's already well worn. Wouldn't mind seeing additional examples

Re: Need Help with 1921, broken E Obv

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:30 pm
by jrfaust
Thanks John's and All!
I still would like help with identifying the VAM if possible. :)I've been up and down the VAM pages and can't come up with a match. :? (I'm sure I've overlooked something :oops: )Here's what I see:
"On the Obv, coin has Tripe L&R stars and date, also Dbl'd E & PL with a Dbl'd Profile from hair to Lips
Rev: Dbl'd STATES OF AMERICA, has no scribbles that I can see..
Any thoughts?
Thanks again in advance :D

Re: Need Help with 1921, broken E Obv

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:39 pm
by messydesk
vampicker wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:33 am
The color change around this further supports some sort of struck thru debris error. Can't explain the flow lining, but this might be natural on a filled die that's already well worn. Wouldn't mind seeing additional examples
Could be the debris was impacted in the die long enough to develop flow lines of its own. It's much softer than die steel, so it'll develop lines faster, and maybe they'd tend to line up with existing lines in the die.

Re: Need Help with 1921, broken E Obv

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:00 pm
by colwillys
Strike thru grease or diber .