1921-P First known Example Vam 110.

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TPugmire
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1921-P First known Example Vam 110.

Post by TPugmire » Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:44 pm

Take a look, let me know what you think. No other Vam comes close to the tripling on this. Die scratches are hard to get a photo of on Liberty.
My question is once someone finds the first one who does something like this get sent to?
Any idea on approx value of something like this?
Thanks for any help.
Only allowed 5 pictures so this was all I could show you.
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Re: 1921-P First known Example Vam 110.

Post by DHalladay » Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:31 am

Nice closeup pixs!
But what tells you it's a 110?
When in doubt... don't.

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Re: 1921-P First known Example Vam 110.

Post by ljs123 » Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:42 am

You can only post 5 photos at a time, but you can post as many photos as you like.
Just hit the “Post Reply” and add another 5 photos. Do that as many times as you like.

I’m pretty sure it’s not a VAM-110, or I may need better glasses.

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Re: 1921-P First known Example Vam 110.

Post by TPugmire » Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:03 pm

What makes me think that?
I’m confused.
Per the Vam listing.
110 IV 90 - D2a (Tripled Left Stars & Date, Scribbling Die Scratches#160) I-2 R-5
Obverse IV 90 - Tripled left stars towards rim. Slighty tripled date, right stars and E PLUR.
Per their photos and mine I guess I’m not sure why you would think anything different.
The stars- All tripling.
L- Tripled.
Date- tripling.
Right stars- tripling
E Plur- tripling.
Now as far as die scratches I’m having a hard time get muting the right light to show you but on Liberty the tone or whatever is on the coin will make it impossible to get a good photo of. The die scratches I’ll figure out how to take today.
Guess my question is why would you think it’s not a 110?

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Re: 1921-P First known Example Vam 110.

Post by ljs123 » Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:22 pm

Please post a close up of the eagle’s right claw. Left claw as you are looking at the eagle.
Also a close up of the top of the right wreath that includes the berries.

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Re: 1921-P First known Example Vam 110.

Post by TPugmire » Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:30 pm

No problem.
Thanks for direction.
If I’m wrong cool thanks for the teaching.
Let me know what you think and can you explain why these three areas are most important
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Re: 1921-P First known Example Vam 110.

Post by DHalladay » Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:43 pm

The raised lines in and around the recesses on either side of the eagle's right leg (viewer's left) are mint-created "scribbles" that were done by hand to fill in the voids. Because no two are alike, they are effectively a "fingerprint" that identifies each 1921-P VAM (and well as 1921-D, 1921-S, and perhaps many other dates).

Please take a look at the photos on this page and see if your coin matches. If it doesn't, then it isn't VAM 110. Also take a look at the crack photos on the VAM 110A page and see if your coin has any of them:

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... -P_VAM-110
When in doubt... don't.

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Re: 1921-P First known Example Vam 110.

Post by TPugmire » Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:53 pm

That’s interesting. Die scratches being a fingerprint.
Wanted to add a couple cool items to the coin now that I have daylight it’s much easier to take pics. But here are a few struck threw items.
Sorry if that’s the wrong term.
One appears to be from the wing of the bird.
The other looks to be olive branches.
But I will go look threw all the cams again.
I basically went down the list, only one with triple anything that matched I thought was 110. But nothing wrong with double checking.
Thanks for the lesson
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Re: 1921-P First known Example Vam 110.

Post by ljs123 » Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:11 pm

The two photos I requested, confirms what I first thought.
You asked why the photos I requested are important.
For 1921-Ps, there are two different types of reverses, D1 and D2.
One of your posts points out that VAM-110 is listed as a D2 reverse.
Now look at the two photos that I requested.
I think you will see that your coin has a D1 reverse.
If it has a D1 reverse, it can not be a VAM-110.

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Re: 1921-P First known Example Vam 110.

Post by DHalladay » Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:06 pm

Having a D1 reverse will make identifying your coin much easier, since there are only about 1/3 as many D1 VAMs as there are D2s.
When in doubt... don't.

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Re: 1921-P First known Example Vam 110.

Post by TPugmire » Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:32 pm

ljs123 wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:11 pm
The two photos I requested, confirms what I first thought.
You asked why the photos I requested are important.
For 1921-Ps, there are two different types of reverses, D1 and D2.
One of your posts points out that VAM-110 is listed as a D2 reverse.
Now look at the two photos that I requested.
I think you will see that your coin has a D1 reverse.
If it has a D1 reverse, it can not be a VAM-110.
Good call.
You’d think so. There is a couple that have some of the characteristic’s.
There is so many things on this coin. It almost needs 2-4 vams for one coin. 🤷‍♂️

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Re: 1921-P First known Example Vam 110.

Post by DHalladay » Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:06 pm

I believe your coin may be a VAM 1BH (things get more difficult to identify as the grade goes down):

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... -P_VAM-1BH
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