Scarce EDS of 78-S VAM 16 now VAM 16A

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Scarce EDS of 78-S VAM 16 now VAM 16A

Post by messydesk » Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:11 pm

I had a chance to look at a scarce early die stage of the 78-S VAM 16 side-by-side with the one everyone has (thanks @lewisr2). The EDS has the gouge in the eagle's right wing extending far into the left field, while the more common one has it polished away, along with a light clash. This is the same reverse die used on VAM 20, which has no gouge in the wing at all, so the gouge is probably incidental damage that happened when the obverse die was changed.

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Re: Scarce EDS of 78-S VAM 16 now VAM 16A

Post by vamnuke » Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:27 pm

Fortunately, I have one! Fortunately, no new hole as I’ve got a 2-sided clashed LDS ( no letter transfer). Thanks goes out to Lew for getting the EDS recognized. 8-)

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Re: Scarce EDS of 78-S VAM 16 now VAM 16A

Post by vamnuke » Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:35 am

Earliest rev die is 20; EDS are 2-sided PL; LDS is 2-sided clashed; then came the EDS 16; my example is strong semi-PL; there are a couple of shorter gouges above the big one; not sure if die wear or polishing shortened the gouges (the standard one); LDS is 2–sided clashed; then cleaned up and used for 28.

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Re: Scarce EDS of 78-S VAM 16 now VAM 16A

Post by Jodemyer » Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:13 am

I posted one on CCF at beginning of the month. Glad to know it now has it's own attribution! I had wondered about the gouge extending so far into the field! Thanks for the great info!

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Re: Scarce EDS of 78-S VAM 16 now VAM 16A

Post by lewisr2 » Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:43 pm

There are four gouges above the gouge in the field, two about the same size then two shorter ones.
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Re: Scarce EDS of 78-S VAM 16 now VAM 16A

Post by Jodemyer » Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:41 am

Will the 16A have a different interest and Rarity number than the 16? Since it is scarce? Will it be added to any of the lists such as Top 100 or WOW etc, the doubling is as nice or very close to the doubling on the 111, 22 and 77. Just curious and learning, not sure how that works. (and since I have one I am just wishful thinking 😁)

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Re: Scarce EDS of 78-S VAM 16 now VAM 16A

Post by messydesk » Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:40 pm

Jodemyer wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:41 am
Will the 16A have a different interest and Rarity number than the 16? Since it is scarce?
Rarity numbers are no longer used in additions to the VAM catalog. Comments on the wiki can attest to the rarity of a particular variety based on experience. When I spoke with Larry Briggs at the show, he confirmed that this is a rare one, having looked at over 100,000 78-S dollars.
Will it be added to any of the lists such as Top 100 or WOW etc, the doubling is as nice or very close to the doubling on the 111, 22 and 77. Just curious and learning, not sure how that works. (and since I have one I am just wishful thinking 😁)
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Re: Scarce EDS of 78-S VAM 16 now VAM 16A

Post by Jodemyer » Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:20 pm

Thankyou messydesk! I appreciate it! I was curious how that works!

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Re: Scarce EDS of 78-S VAM 16 now VAM 16A

Post by fogie » Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:48 am

I have added the aforementioned new discovery to the SSDC registry and it is ready to populate....(& congratulations).

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Re: Scarce EDS of 78-S VAM 16 now VAM 16A

Post by lewisr2 » Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:46 am

Thanks Brent.

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Re: Scarce EDS of 78-S VAM 16 now VAM 16A

Post by pup_picker » Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:06 pm

is the coin pictured in this thread the ngc 63 in the census? the coin here sure looks unc.

also it looks like a SUPER DUPER tough find.

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Re: Scarce EDS of 78-S VAM 16 now VAM 16A

Post by lewisr2 » Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:08 pm

No.
The V-16A pictured above is in the mail back to me now.
It is a PCGS 62.

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Re: Scarce EDS of 78-S VAM 16 now VAM 16A

Post by vamnuke » Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:40 pm

Mine will be in the next shipment to VSS.

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Re: Scarce EDS of 78-S VAM 16 now VAM 16A

Post by tbconcrete » Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:22 am

Not sure I agree with the separate listing. I also think Leroy lumped many Obv/Rev dies into one VAM with D1,D2,D4,D4 and D5, which I dint like either. But the new standards will be good for the hobby. 78S dies have many new listings coming in the near future. VAM46 is one I can think of with the many stages of the berry break. Lew has done a lot of work with that one. JR labeled my V1B as EDS and I wonder if that listing is worth the separate listing. Maybe JR can chime in if its worth another trip to the VAM Lords. It is very EDS. I have about ten examples that show multiple stages.
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