1921-P VAM-3DA... Huge Crack in E, Letters in Denticles, and odd Clash on Neck...?

[TheYokel]

Was avoiding any kind of clashes until my sanity returns in the mail soon, and thought I'd start trying to learn about the scratches/lines on my 1921-P...

Where do I start looking for a listing for this though?...





I looked at my 1878 with a Broken R and they are the same kind of "missing"... No signs or damage outside the actual letter? Just looks like it's been "erased" so to say...

Even the bolls look odd...



And there are leaves it looks like they just gave up carving lol...



And this is the tailfeathers...



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I don't even know where to begin looking through all the headings for the 1921. I've gone through all the scratches listings i can find, but don't see one pointing out the "2"...

Is the laundry list of "1XX" scribble listings where i should be looking? Or am I looking in the wrong place altogether?..

[DHalladay]

First of all, you see which reverse type you have (D1 or D2). Your coin is a D2, which about 80% of 1921-Ps are.

Then you see if it has scribbles (your last photo), which your coin has a TON of, and which makes things very easy.

Then you go to the 1921-P D2 Reverse Scribbles page and a start scrolling, comparing the photos one at a time to your coin. No, there isn't an easier way to do it... and your coin was easy:

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... -P_VAM-3DA

[messydesk]

Broken 2 is damage to the coin. VAM 3DA, case closed. Didn't even need to look this one up.

[TheYokel]

Broken 2 is damage to the coin. VAM 3DA, case closed. Didn't even need to look this one up.

Thank you. I was looking through all the 1xx listings and explains why i couldn't find anything.

Going to go read-up on 1921 some more... Seems like the 78s... Overwhelming to look at the first time but easy to distinguish once you know what to look for?

To the book...

[TheYokel]

Broken 2 is damage to the coin. VAM 3DA, case closed. Didn't even need to look this one up.

To try and help me learn and to avoid posting a damaged letter/number in the future...

What do i look for on this to show it's PMD vs just a "filled/broken" 2?... It sits flush or even slightly recessed with zero damage to the surrounding surfaces or luster on a mint state coin?

Is there a certain characteristic to this type of damage i can remember for future reference?

[TheYokel]

It also has a Monster die gouge going through the E in STATES to the rim...



That i don't see on the 3DA plate shots...



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[DHalladay]

What you're seeing through TES on the reverse is a die crack, which are profoundly common (and sometimes more extensive than makes any sense) on 1921-Ps.

There are D1 and D2 crack guides elsewhere on this site that many of us use to make VAM attributions, rather than using scribbles.

[TheYokel]

What you're seeing through TES on the reverse is a die crack, which are profoundly common (and sometimes more extensive than makes any sense) on 1921-Ps.

There are D1 and D2 crack guides elsewhere on this site that many of us use to make VAM attributions, rather than using scribbles.

The diagonal line that is raised on top of the E going to the denticles in the rim is a crack?...

[DHalladay]

My bad... I thought you were talking about the crack.

I see what looks like a gouge through the E in one photo, but it doesn't look too convincing in the other photo, so I can't really offer much of an opinion.

[TheYokel]

My bad... I thought you were talking about the crack.

I see what looks like a gouge through the E in one photo, but it doesn't look too convincing in the other photo, so I can't really offer much of an opinion.

The other photo is LVAs plate shot to show it being absent...

[DHalladay]

OK, that explains it.
I have 5 VAM 3DAs and none of them have the gouge. So you may have a new addition to the 3DA sequence.

[TheYokel]

Edit: Yay!

Edit Edit: so does this mean the 2 might not be damage afterall?

[Mhomei]

The slab is scratched and reflecting it onto the coin.

[TheYokel]

Its a raw coin...

[TheYokel]

Better shot of "E":



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Displaced field or lamination between N and I in UNITED:



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And i swear there are letters in my denticles: (above T is easy to see)



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[Unc90o]

As stated, your coin is VAM-3DA. Is is an EDS as the die crack has not progress passed the last S in STATES. What appears to be die gouge most likely PMD, rubber band stained, or something that is NOT on the die.

[messydesk]

Its a raw coin...

Ok, it's a scratch on the holder reflecting on the coin.

To answer the damaged 2 question, it looks scraped by something. Filled does don't look like that.

[TheYokel]

[TheYokel]

I can go with a damaged opinion...

But it's not a reflection. I popped the coin for you.

[andywoj00]

Better shot of "E":

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That sure looks like a gouge to me.....Andy