1923-S Super collar

[colwillys]

Picked this 1923-S with one of the biggest and best collar clash ..Look like a double rim . This show a gouge between B E of LIBERTY . Only single gouge were VAM 1AQ1 has two .

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[RogerB]

I'm kinda dense. Please explain how this is a "collar clash" and not a partial out-of-collar strike.
Thanks!

[messydesk]

If the reeding is otherwise normal (coin struck fully in collar) and there's additional reeding on the rim, it would be a collar clash, where the hammer die hit the collar die before striking this coin.

[colwillys]

I will post photo of rim tomorrow .

[RogerB]

If the reeding is otherwise normal (coin struck fully in collar) and there's additional reeding on the rim, it would be a collar clash, where the hammer die hit the collar die before striking this coin.

In the "die profile," below, you're saying the peripheral face (rim) struck the upper surface of a collar and was "clashed" with it leaving an impression of the cuts used to make the collar. Is that correct?

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[messydesk]

In the "die profile," below, you're saying the peripheral face (rim) struck the upper surface of a collar and was "clashed" with it leaving an impression of the cuts used to make the collar. Is that correct?

Yes.

[vampicker]

Where's the pic of the die with the collar clash that was posted a few months back? It's a pretty definitive explanation in a single image

[Unc90o]

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[colwillys]

Two photo of the Reeding and Rim .

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[pup_picker]

one of the best i've seen. gratz.

[vampicker]

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Thanks Nico

[RogerB]

Thanks everyone!

Here's an LHC Super Collider:

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[Tennessee]

Colwillys, I think I understand what you fellow Vam Gentlemen are talking about. Is this the same thing that's on my 1922s? The rim is angled and is that what makes the (say) groove around the rim. Thanks just trying to understand...

[colwillys]

Your 1922-S look like a normal rim ..

[messydesk]

Colwillys, I think I understand what you fellow Vam Gentlemen are talking about. Is this the same thing that's on my 1922s? The rim is angled and is that what makes the (say) groove around the rim. Thanks just trying to understand...

On your coin, the reeds on the edge are visible while viewing the coin from the obverse, but the obverse die is normal. On a collar clash, the impression of the reeds is present on the die (the obverse on the coin shown) and is stamped onto the rim. The picture of the die shown in the thread linked by Unc90o shows what a collar clash looks like on the die.

[vampicker]

I'd bet the super collider Roger B posted could also leave some hellacious marks on a coin

[messydesk]

I'd bet the super collider Roger B posted could also leave some hellacious marks on a coin

There's always this: http://capturedlightning.com/frames/interesting1.html

[vampicker]

Gotta love 'each coin requires its own hand wound coil which explodes (!) during shrinking'

[messydesk]

Gotta love 'each coin requires its own hand wound coil which explodes (!) during shrinking'

And if you do it wrong, it'll kill you.

[vampicker]

"She blinded me with science' comes to mind