1902 O VAM 67 Privately Made

[DurhamJnKY]

Picked this up from the Bay this week. Pretty sure it's a VAM 67. Has the gouge in the denticles at the neck point and a C3 reverse. Even though it's a higher grade than the other privately made I have, it's hard to see the crack at STATES. (Looks to me to be around VF 40-45.)

One other thing I noticed that it shares with 1900 O VAM 22C1 is the strong dent on the back end of the top arrowhead. I always figured it was PMD but it's present on all the LFCP's for both VAMs and all the 22C1's I have. Now I think it's PMD that was on the coin which was copied. While I'd hesitate to call it diagnostic, it's a lot easier to see than the crack when cherry picking.

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Not really sure what that curve is in the denticles next to the R in AMERICA. It's shape matches the lower front of the 2 in the date, but why would it be on the reverse? I'm sure it's not significant. It's just a riddle I'm trying to solve.

Jonnie

[LateDateMorganGuy]

Yeah, my example of the V67 has the same "feature" on the top arrow head. Not sure about the other two "features" you mention. My coin is more worn than yours.

[Vamderbilt]

Nice new pickup,
I confirmed the arrow ding on 7 examples.
No sign of the denticle oddity,
Thanks for posting, I found 5 new 67s on
the bay during May and June...
I thought it rather odd as it's listed R7.

[messydesk]

Nice new pickup,
I confirmed the arrow ding on 7 examples.
No sign of the denticle oddity,
Thanks for posting, I found 5 new 67s on
the bay during May and June...
I thought it rather odd as it's listed R7.

R numbers were estimates at time of discovery and are not necessarily accurate. They are no longer being assigned to new VAMs.

[Vamderbilt]

Nice new pickup,
I confirmed the arrow ding on 7 examples.
No sign of the denticle oddity,
Thanks for posting, I found 5 new 67s on
the bay during May and June...
I thought it rather odd as it's listed R7.

R numbers were estimates at time of discovery and are not necessarily accurate. They are no longer being assigned to new VAMs.

Thanks for letting me know, that is good information.

[DurhamJnKY]

While researching a coin I was looking to buy, I saw the note on the 1901 O VAM 60 page, "C3 type reverse with III O mint mark titled slightly to right similar to 1900-O VAM-22C1 counterfeit, but no confirmation of same die or same copied coin." I think that can be confirmed.

When comparing the reverse of the 02 0 VAM 67 and the 00 O VAM 22C1 I can see the dented top arrowhead and dented M in AMERICA on both. Pretty sure they are PMD from the copied coin.

When I look at the 01 O VAM 60, I can see both of these features plus the curve in the denticles next to the R in AMERICA that is shown earlier in this post. I do not have a 01 O VAM 60 that I can look at but all 3 of the coins on the page are of a high enough quality that it is visible.

I think 00 O VAM 22C1, 01 O VAM 60, and 02 O VAM 67 all share the same reverse.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

Jonnie

PS Still haven't worked out what caused the curve. Maybe one day. Just not today.

[vampicker]

Most likely cause is a hit on the genuine host coin for that fake obverse die