1923 s Unlisted Radial Die Break with photos

[RogerRock]

Unable to find match for this 1923 s Peace $. Reverse shows radial die break from rim up through left side of C (PEACE) which continues through rock zig zagging toward far right claw. Long unabraded clash spike from eagle's shoulder similar to VAM 1AG but longer and even more closely doubled. Clash mark from lowest olive extends across first ray below L. Strong clash marks on eagle's back at the usual areas (3rd ray above ONE) and check mark clash across next to last ray at top. Strong peripheral die crack extends from above ONE up through bottom of UNI and top of PLURIBUS through top of eagle's head (beak) through top of UNU.

Obverse shows weak die crack through diagonal part of N (IN). Beveled field at left base of first ray from front of hair. Clash marks below R with beveled field across V at hair and hair bun. Long die crack/scratch through rays from tip of ray next to I across to third ray right of B. Long weak die crack from bottom right R through top of hair bun across bottom of T down through middle of Y and ending in field below. Interesting light radial die crack just below Y bisects peripheral crack and extends across to bottom of hair bun

Coin is blast white BU with struck through grease in center of obverse and reverse.
Perhaps Dr. Close would like to examine this piece.

[messydesk]

Gonna need a picture.

[davidkclose]

I would like to see photos first. I don't offhand recognize the description, but it may be a LDS of one already listed. In any case, nice pickup!

[davidkclose]

Is this the die break? If so, it is VAM 1AG. The ULDS has an obverse rim cud above RT.

1923S VAM 1AG DBR 1a.jpg (116.68 KiB) Viewed 2315 times

[alefzero]

I believe I might have sent that to Leroy years ago. Forget what I said. Will have to see if I got something on it.

[RogerRock]

Yes, that radial die break matches my coin. Why is this PUP not listed under VAM 1AG?
My coin shows the radial die break on the rim and all the way up the rock to the tip of the far right talon.
This specimen looks to be mint state, but it's struck through grease center obverse and center reverse.
Photos will be posted in the near future.

[davidkclose]

The reverse die break is only on LDS coins. The variety was listed for the die clash.

[RogerRock]

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by Roxanne

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[RogerRock]

This particular specimen is about to cross JR's desk. Quite unusual to see combination with radial die break across C (PEACE), strong clash marks, obverse rim die break above RT, double clashed spikes off eagle,s shoulder, and loss of detail on center of both obverse and reverse (Strike Through ?).

SUPER BALD EAGLE seems to fit the decor on this coin.
Sometimes the VAM Variety is visually enhanced by a striking error.

Photos of coin are provided on red cloth background.

[colwillys]

I just sent Dr. Close 3 1923-S . 1 maybe the same thing of your coin .

[crabscrape]

This coin has been around for sometime now. I believe Leroy has seen it a few times as well as David has.

[RogerRock]

ANACS reported their grade and label on this specimen today 6-7-23 as 1923 s VAM 1AG WEAKLY STRUCK AU 55

I would disagree with the "WEAKLY STRUCK" description. In fact, weak strikes are caused by insufficient die approximation and abnormally low ram pressure. Reeding will be weak/absent from a weak strike. Design rim will be incomplete/absent from a weak strike. The edge will be weakly struck and narrow from a weak strike. Obviously, as above photos illustrate, this specimen does not have weak/absent reeding or incomplete/absent design rim or a weak narrow edge. Furthermore, peripheral design lettering, radial die break, etc. exhibit above average definition in details !!

Comments welcome concerning the nature of the striking error on this 1923 s VAM 1AG Peace Dollar.

[Albannach]

She could have spent half her life going in and out of slots in Vegas

Looks like wear to me…
AU seems fair
From here anyway

[vampicker]

The central detail on both faces was largely absent and the piece did not appear to be struck thru grease or crud. If you see Jon Sullivan at the show when you pick these up, please show it to him and get his opinion. It's a weird looking coin to be certain.

[messydesk]

The central detail on both faces was largely absent and the piece did not appear to be struck thru grease or crud. If you see Jon Sullivan at the show when you pick these up, please show it to him and get his opinion. It's a weird looking coin to be certain.

Agree. As a mint error, this would be far more interesting than it is as a VAM.

[RogerRock]

The central detail on both faces was largely absent and the piece did not appear to be struck thru grease or crud. If you see Jon Sullivan at the show when you pick these up, please show it to him and get his opinion. It's a weird looking coin to be certain.

Agree. As a mint error, this would be far more interesting than it is as a VAM.

Mint error/die variety combinations are far more interesting because striking errors can enhance the visual effect of the coin's devices. IMO

[colwillys]

RogerRock Dr. Close has my 1923-S VAM 1AG and 2 that look the same . I will keep up date
on the VAM . .