1878-S Vam 1, 54, 61, 85 and 94 need to be killed or put in the “May not exist” category

[78-sLongnock]

Vam 96 disappeared from the 1878 s SSDC set but has now magically now reappeared in SSDC.
What happened to it?
Any explanation?
The above 78-s Vam 1, 54, 61, 67, (maybe 91), 85, and 94 need to be reviewed to see if they
May need to be put in the ( Believe not exist category). If so, need to be deleted from SSDC, if an example surfaces sometime in the future
Like Vam 10, than it can be reinstated.

[vamnuke]

All specimens from all sets disappeared; pop now -0-

[78-sLongnock]

What are we going to do about 78-s vam 54, 61, 67, and 94 in SSDC ?
What does the 78-s clan think about these 4?

[fogie]

I took a look - it had not been removed from the registry - only from the set. It is in the set now. As for the POP - I can not help there. It looks like none were ever entered. I do not have one so I cant "get the ball rolling" on this one.

[lewisr2]

I entered two 96-S a little while ago
I checked the "My Inventory" and they were there.
I then rebuilt the sets and things seem to be okay for my 78-S set.

[vamnuke]

will have to get holder # next trip to the box and re-enter; grrrr….

[vamnuke]

Agree with the review; a couple appear in the registry; a plea to post photos and for a review to see if attributions are indeed correct.

[lewisr2]

One of these, the V-67, has had discussion back in 2019 and 2020.
The predominant opinion was that the V-67 and V-104 are the same.
Here are some of my notes from Jan 2020

Introduction
The 78-S VAM-67 was discovered Feb 2002 by Calvin Cherry; no revisions for VAM-67.
Currently (Jan 2020) there are no examples listed in the SSDC registry.
The 78-S VAM-104 was discovered July 2006 by Larry Briggs; no revisions for VAM-104.
Currently (Jan 2020) there are 15 examples listed in the SSDC registry.

78-S submitted to VSS
In mid-2019 there was discussion on the VAMworld forum that suggested that the VAM-67 and the VAM-104 are the same. The discussion was started when John Baumgart put one of his VSS stickers on a 78S that was submitted at a VAM-67.

78-S V-67 is a VAM-104
Several VAM collectors received photos of the VSS VAM-67; they concluded it was a VAM-104.

VAMworld photos
The VAMworld photos for VAM-67 and VAM-104 were checked and it seemed obvious that the photos showed the same characteristics.
The photo that is probably from the discovery VAM-67 is the LVA Plate Photo for the VAM-67.

It is strange that back in 2015 I received a 78-S small white ANACS holder that was attributed as VAM-67.
I was really disappointed in that it was a VAM-104 so I returned the 78-S to the owner

[vamsterdam]

I have 2 1878s v96. Every v67/104 that i have seen has the same obverse/reverse markers. All are vam 67 in my book. V85 was my discovery and was sold to mark kimpton eons ago for a pittance but i have no idea who he sold it to. I do not believe that it is possible for vam 91 to exist. I have seen many v91a up to ultra dmpl obverse and all have the die gougge and others pups.

[vamsterdam]

wish someone could locate my vam 85 discovery piece. i will try to contact larry briggs about the v104 discovery piece. could the owner of the v91 discovery piece come forward and show it so that could be settled?

[lewisr2]

The census lists two V-91 -- a PCGS 63 and a SEGS 62 PL.
I did not check every 78-S set to see if any of the current set holders have a 91.
The Profile for the 78-S date set shows "Hidden or Unclaimed".
LVA's 78-S Attribution book lists Larry Briggs as discoverer of V-91.

[fogie]

Brian - The 1878-S VAM-85 I bought from you is an 1878-S VAM-8 - front and back. @vamsterdam

[lewisr2]

It appears that fogie might have the PCGS MS63.
Larry Briggs may still have the SEGS 62 PL.

[LateDateMorganGuy]

Likely the SEGS Pl 62 was lost in the USPS McKechnie snafu.

[lewisr2]

What is the story of the USPS snafu?

[LateDateMorganGuy]

Let's just say that from what I understand, a lot of Briggs' coin were lost in the mail.

[lewisr2]

Was a list made available of the “lost” coins?

[messydesk]

Was a list made available of the “lost” coins?

There was a list, but I don't know how available it is/was. There's a remote chance that it was posted to the old VAMWorld, and that I might be able to recover it from there.

[vamsterdam]

@fogie VAM 8? well, that surely is interesting. and here i thought this was one of the pieces that i sold to mark kimpton. i have looked at the pictures and wondered about that tripled eyelid. not sure who i talked to about it but i wondered if it was a very well placed and spaced hit. i might see if i can call larry about the v91, and 104.

[lewisr2]

John B. - thanks for offering to check for a list of the "lost" coins.