1878-S Vam 1, 54, 61, 85 and 94 need to be killed or put in the “May not exist” category

[vamnuke]

So if the Fogie specimen of v85 is the Discovery coin, that should seal its fate .

The SEGS 62PL V91 is registered in the SSDC registry so not lost. Thanks to
Brian for reaching out to Larry. Maybe more info will be shed.

Not sure how v1 can be reconciled; similar v2 is already gone…

Progress is in the works.

[78-sLongnock]

We are making progress ferreting out if the above needs to be moved to “may not exist category” or keep in the system, please add any additional info that will help determine the fate of the above

[tbconcrete]

The V91 in MS62PL is my coin. In a Segs slab attributed by Briggs. It is the same exact die pair as V91A. No notable Die State change. I would guess the gouge in the cap was noticed after the fact. Is this the DC coin, as said to be lost in the mail??

On the VAM85, I have hunted for years for one.... I have what I believe to be a V85 on my desk.. If I can confirm the B2K Reverse at some point, I will post it up. Need to pull out a few V8s and confirm.

As far as speculating on VAM existence, I wrote the V10 off years ago. Then a few pop up......

But the V91 is a clear example, to me, of one die pair with details missed the first go around. Not uncommon for anyone who has VAMmed a coin and later had to reVAM it.

[lewisr2]

Thank you for responding Tim.
Appears V91 should be removed>

[messydesk]

If presented with evidence that the EDS obverse has the gouge in the cap, I'll be more likely to eliminate VAM 91A and keep 91.

[vamnuke]

Sounds similar to 1878-P V170 /170A…

[messydesk]

Sounds similar to 1878-P V170 /170A…

And countless others.

[lewisr2]

messydesk said above -- “If presented with evidence that the EDS obverse has the gouge in the cap, I'll be more likely to eliminate VAM 91 A and keep 91”.

For VAM-91 A the SSDC registry census lists 18 with 1 detail, 2 PL and 2 DMPL.
I have four 91 A -- ANACS 63, NGC 63, PCGS 63, and PCGS 65. The ANACS 63 is attributed as VAM-91A MS63 PL. The other three are not VAM attributed and are not listed as PL or DMPL. However, all four have reflective obverse fields. The reverse on all four are not as reflective as their obverse. I have seen V-91 at coin shows, and on the internet, and as I remember most, if not all, had reflective obverse.

I suspect that many of the 91A in the SSDC census also have reflective obverse fields.

So, I think that the current V-91A are the EDS obverse, and they have the cap gouge.

[messydesk]

Is either VAM 48 or 84 earlier die state with respect to the reverse?

[lewisr2]

messydesk asked above – “Is either VAM 48 or 84 earlier die state with respect to the reverse?”

I have two V-48, a 65 and a 64.
The 65 on reverse has a die crack that is above the E of AMERICA, then goes on the top of the R, then goes to the top of I. Also, the first has a die crack at top and between N and I then over to T of UNITED.
The 64 has the E-R-I die crack. It does not have the N-I-T die crack.

I have three V-84 a 63, a 64, and a 65+.
The 63 has the E-R-I die crack. It does not have the N-I-T die crack.
The 64 does not have the E-R-I die crack. It does not have the N-I-T die crack.
The 65+ does not have the E-R-I die crack. It does not have the N-I-T die crack. It does appear to have a die crack at top and between the T and E.

My four V-91A do not have any reverse die cracks.

To answer messydesk’s question, I would say no, the 48 and 84 both are later die state of 91A.

[fogie]

I have 2 x 91A and both have PL-ish fields. I have no 91. For what it is worth - I believe they all have the obverse gouge (91A).

[lewisr2]

fogie -- thanks for the info about PL-ish 91A.

How about more of you 78-S vammers check your 91A for PL-ish fields and reply in this discussion topic.

[78-sLongnock]

Need to bring up the option of either killing off or put in the “may now exist category”; the following:
1878-s Vam 54, 61, 85, and 94. If anyone has proof that they exist or are duplicates, please bring information to our attention.

[lewisr2]

The listing of VAMWorld 78-S VAMs has a list of "Believed not to Exist" at the end of the listing of individual VAMs.
The 1, 54, 61, 85, and 94 should be moved into the Believed not to Exit group.